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Cutting springs to lower your ride is a nice inexpensive way to lower your car...however, Be careful...I did this on an old Toyota beater I had and it wouldn't pass inspection...It's not wise to cut or heat your springs to lower your vehicle, because you will seriously reduce its ride quality and handling abilities, and you also may affect suspension geometry, which means you won't be able to steer as well and your tires will wear unevenly.
Cutting corners now might cost you $$$ in the long run...and we all know tires for this car aren't cheap!
BTW, those rims look awesome...great price too!
Cutting corners now might cost you $$$ in the long run...and we all know tires for this car aren't cheap!
BTW, those rims look awesome...great price too!
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Re: Been busy with very cost effective Mods! - Now with pics
Cutting corners? I agree about taking a torch to the springs but cutting them does not hurt them. High quality street rod builders have been doing this forever. MY ride is almost exactly the same as stock. My wife who is very picky drove the car and couldn't tell any difference at all. Keep in mind that the new tires in the rear 265x40x18 which ride noticeably better the stock 19's.
The toughest thing about cutting springs knowing how much to cut. I have taken the guess work out. Now you all know what cutting one coil off will get you. In case you are wondering how I figured this out I went by Eibach which is 1.2/1.3 inch drop. Most Eibach springs are the same as stock minus one coil. Some guys on Benz World discovered this. By the way, if this hadn't worked I was ready to buy the Eibach's. But it worked great and I saved almost $300.
If my drop is the same as after market springs then I have equally messed up the geometry. The main thing lowering will do is increase the negative camber in the rear which actually can help handling but has the potential for wearing out the insides of the tires. My Mini Cooper S was lowered and I had a similar increase in negative camber but didn't seem to wear the tires any differently. Almost none of the Mini guys went out and bought adjustable links to correct the camber. I suspect that most of the guys on this site that have lowered their cars and not bothered to buy the parts needed to adjust the camber. the only thing I have found is the K Mac adjustable camber bolts which I may get.
The toughest thing about cutting springs knowing how much to cut. I have taken the guess work out. Now you all know what cutting one coil off will get you. In case you are wondering how I figured this out I went by Eibach which is 1.2/1.3 inch drop. Most Eibach springs are the same as stock minus one coil. Some guys on Benz World discovered this. By the way, if this hadn't worked I was ready to buy the Eibach's. But it worked great and I saved almost $300.
If my drop is the same as after market springs then I have equally messed up the geometry. The main thing lowering will do is increase the negative camber in the rear which actually can help handling but has the potential for wearing out the insides of the tires. My Mini Cooper S was lowered and I had a similar increase in negative camber but didn't seem to wear the tires any differently. Almost none of the Mini guys went out and bought adjustable links to correct the camber. I suspect that most of the guys on this site that have lowered their cars and not bothered to buy the parts needed to adjust the camber. the only thing I have found is the K Mac adjustable camber bolts which I may get.
Re. rear camber links...
Nice work, doing it for low bucks is a bonus IMHO.
Check this out...
http://speedybnz.com/
Really nice looking upper camber links for M-Benz rear ends.
I think HDDP runs a set on his track car. Looks like really good quality for the price; $250 for the pair plus shipping. Replacing rubber bushings on suspension links is usually a really good thing for better cornering and less wheel-hop on hard launches!
Cheers,
Slim
Check this out...
http://speedybnz.com/
Really nice looking upper camber links for M-Benz rear ends.
I think HDDP runs a set on his track car. Looks like really good quality for the price; $250 for the pair plus shipping. Replacing rubber bushings on suspension links is usually a really good thing for better cornering and less wheel-hop on hard launches!
Cheers,
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I agree Lantana,
I had a hot rod buddy who spend his entire life building and modifying HR's. (may he rest in peace) and that's exactly how they did it.
On a performance car like the SRT, I plan on cutting just a 1/2 coil off the front springs and 1/2 to 3/4 coil off the rear springs and replacing the upper spring cup with a 5MM (smallest available) to give me some added drop.
I like the stiffer suspension of the SRT and I don't want to soften it up with A/M springs. If the car did not sit so high, I would leave it alone.
BTW - Very nice work on your ride.
I had a hot rod buddy who spend his entire life building and modifying HR's. (may he rest in peace) and that's exactly how they did it.
On a performance car like the SRT, I plan on cutting just a 1/2 coil off the front springs and 1/2 to 3/4 coil off the rear springs and replacing the upper spring cup with a 5MM (smallest available) to give me some added drop.
I like the stiffer suspension of the SRT and I don't want to soften it up with A/M springs. If the car did not sit so high, I would leave it alone.
BTW - Very nice work on your ride.
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Re: Re. rear camber links...
Originally Posted by Cincinnati Slim
Nice work, doing it for low bucks is a bonus IMHO.
Check this out...
http://speedybnz.com/
Really nice looking upper camber links for M-Benz rear ends.
I think HDDP runs a set on his track car. Looks like really good quality for the price; $ 250 for the pair plus shipping. Replacing rubber bushings on suspension links is usually a really good thing for better cornering and less wheel-hop on hard launches!
Cheers,
Slim
Check this out...
http://speedybnz.com/
Really nice looking upper camber links for M-Benz rear ends.
I think HDDP runs a set on his track car. Looks like really good quality for the price; $ 250 for the pair plus shipping. Replacing rubber bushings on suspension links is usually a really good thing for better cornering and less wheel-hop on hard launches!
Cheers,
Slim
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Re: Been busy with very cost effective Mods! - Now with pics
Originally Posted by BrianBrave
I agree Lantana,
I had a hot rod buddy who spend his entire life building and modifying HR's. (may he rest in peace) and that's exactly how they did it.
On a performance car like the SRT, I plan on cutting just a 1/2 coil off the front springs and 1/2 to 3/4 coil off the rear springs and replacing the upper spring cup with a 5MM (smallest available) to give me some added drop.
I like the stiffer suspension of the SRT and I don't want to soften it up with A/M springs. If the car did not sit so high, I would leave it alone.
BTW - Very nice work on your ride.
I had a hot rod buddy who spend his entire life building and modifying HR's. (may he rest in peace) and that's exactly how they did it.
On a performance car like the SRT, I plan on cutting just a 1/2 coil off the front springs and 1/2 to 3/4 coil off the rear springs and replacing the upper spring cup with a 5MM (smallest available) to give me some added drop.
I like the stiffer suspension of the SRT and I don't want to soften it up with A/M springs. If the car did not sit so high, I would leave it alone.
BTW - Very nice work on your ride.
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I copied this info from another post on the forum:
MB Spring Pad Part Numbers - (not sure of the Chrylser Part Number)
Front
A 210 321 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 321 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 321 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 321 04 84 (17mm)
A 210 321 05 84 (21mm)
Rear:
A 210 325 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 325 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 325 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 325 04 84 (17mm)
The biggest drop for the fronts is 21-5 = 16mm (.63 inches)
And the rears is 17-5 = 12mm (.47 inches)
Assuming you replace the thickest pads with the thinnest.
MB Spring Pad Part Numbers - (not sure of the Chrylser Part Number)
Front
A 210 321 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 321 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 321 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 321 04 84 (17mm)
A 210 321 05 84 (21mm)
Rear:
A 210 325 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 325 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 325 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 325 04 84 (17mm)
The biggest drop for the fronts is 21-5 = 16mm (.63 inches)
And the rears is 17-5 = 12mm (.47 inches)
Assuming you replace the thickest pads with the thinnest.
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Re: Been busy with very cost effective Mods! - Now with pics
Originally Posted by BrianBrave
I copied this info from another post on the forum:
MB Spring Pad Part Numbers - (not sure of the Chrylser Part Number)
Front
A 210 321 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 321 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 321 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 321 04 84 (17mm)
A 210 321 05 84 (21mm)
Rear:
A 210 325 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 325 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 325 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 325 04 84 (17mm)
The biggest drop for the fronts is 21-5 = 16mm (.63 inches)
And the rears is 17-5 = 12mm (.47 inches)
Assuming you replace the thickest pads with the thinnest.
MB Spring Pad Part Numbers - (not sure of the Chrylser Part Number)
Front
A 210 321 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 321 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 321 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 321 04 84 (17mm)
A 210 321 05 84 (21mm)
Rear:
A 210 325 01 84 (5mm)
A 210 325 02 84 (9mm)
A 210 325 03 84 (13mm)
A 210 325 04 84 (17mm)
The biggest drop for the fronts is 21-5 = 16mm (.63 inches)
And the rears is 17-5 = 12mm (.47 inches)
Assuming you replace the thickest pads with the thinnest.
Re: Been busy with very cost effective Mods! - Now with pics
Originally Posted by LantanaTX
In the coming weeks I will add an exhaust, low dust brake pads, and window tint. After that all attention
will go to adding some serious HP.
will go to adding some serious HP.
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Originally Posted by ben47
What's your plan for some "serious" HP? There's not much out there unless you spend big $$$.
For about $3,000 I can put an SRT6 engine into it.
For about $1,500 to $5,000 I can put Mercedes V8 into it 4.3 5.0. or 5.5L One engine that has over 300 HP and somewhat reasonable is the C43 AMG engine.
The super charger kit from Germany that I posted about is an option.
Build my own turbo or super charger kit. If I do this I am leaning towards the new Rotrex supercharger as it is supposed to give the low end performance of a roots type with the top end of a turbo.
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I got my wheels on Ebay from a seller named dohccivicna1250. He shipped them very quickly and the quality was beautiful and perfect. This seller has inconsistent pricing. I bought mine for $199 plus $199 shipping for all four so check all his ads. I just checked and others have them for sale also. As user named moore9911 has some listed now. Moore list them as a 2006 style wheel. I have been told this design was an optional AMG wheel. Maxwell on this forum said he saw them on a C class AMG. I am trying to copy a link here but it is not working. How do we paste in links?
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[quote=LantanaTX]I did the whole lowering job yesterday and this included two trips to various parts store looking for spring compressors. I ended up using a NAPA spring compressor that is fairly small and attached to both sides of the spring. It is still a real &*&(%^*! for really good instruction on how to do the front, go to Benzworld.org forums and do a search in the R170 (SLK) forum for spring removal by a guy named Bazzle. If I did this over again I would use the spring compressor in his pictures. He give excellent step by step directions.
I used my Dewalt grinder with a 4.5 inch cutting blade to cut EXACTLY one coil of the BOTTOM of each spring. I let the side of the blade run against the end of the spring to use as a guide to cut exactly one coil off.
The rear are easier, Just jack up one side and remove the wheel. Remove two small screws that hold the plastic piece to the lower control arm. Put a jack under the lower control arm abut where the spring cup is and raise up a bit to take pressure off the lower shock mount and sway bar link. You will see three bolts and nuts at the end of the lower control arm. they are for the upright, shock and sway bar. Remove all three and then slowly lower the jack. The rear spring will just about fall out. If not push the lower control down a little further until the spring comes out. After you have cut one coil off reinsert the spring with the upper cup and make sure it is positioned right and then jack up the lower control arm until you have lined up some of the removed bolts. If you use the jack to align the bolt holes it will be very easy to put all the bolts back in. The rears can be done this way in less than 30 minutes per side. Allow a couple of hours for each front side. If you get the right spring compressor for the front it would be just as easy as the rear. There are probably other ways to do this but this is what I did and it worked.[/quote
Place the lowering spring onto the strut. Try to place the strut cap back on the assembly. It should fit without having to use the spring compressors
I used my Dewalt grinder with a 4.5 inch cutting blade to cut EXACTLY one coil of the BOTTOM of each spring. I let the side of the blade run against the end of the spring to use as a guide to cut exactly one coil off.
The rear are easier, Just jack up one side and remove the wheel. Remove two small screws that hold the plastic piece to the lower control arm. Put a jack under the lower control arm abut where the spring cup is and raise up a bit to take pressure off the lower shock mount and sway bar link. You will see three bolts and nuts at the end of the lower control arm. they are for the upright, shock and sway bar. Remove all three and then slowly lower the jack. The rear spring will just about fall out. If not push the lower control down a little further until the spring comes out. After you have cut one coil off reinsert the spring with the upper cup and make sure it is positioned right and then jack up the lower control arm until you have lined up some of the removed bolts. If you use the jack to align the bolt holes it will be very easy to put all the bolts back in. The rears can be done this way in less than 30 minutes per side. Allow a couple of hours for each front side. If you get the right spring compressor for the front it would be just as easy as the rear. There are probably other ways to do this but this is what I did and it worked.[/quote
Place the lowering spring onto the strut. Try to place the strut cap back on the assembly. It should fit without having to use the spring compressors
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