White House lashes out at Fox News for 'lies'

[Franc Rauscher]

I find it quite amusing that many people cannot tell the difference between a news program and a news opinion program.

In recent years, print media like the NYTimes, the Boston Globe, LA Times and Desmoines Register began moving their editorial content from the back sections to the front page with headlines. Eventually, even conservative papers began to follow the pattern.

The result was a confusion for the average reader who expected the facts on the front page and comments about the facts on the editorial pages.

Enter the cable and evening news on TV. Same thing began to happen.

Fox news puts it "News" content out during most of the day. It broadcasts opinion about the news using commentators who fully claim to be broadcasting opinions. In their initial years, they made it clear, this was their program to bring the News and Comments about the news, in specificaly different programs.

Remarkably, despite the obvious disclaimers, many seemingly intelligent people are unable to tell the difference.

Including those at the White House.


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[PhillySRT]

Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher

I find it quite amusing that many people cannot tell the difference between a news program and a news opinion program.

In recent years, print media like the NYTimes, the Boston Globe, LA Times and Desmoines Register began moving their editorial content from the back sections to the front page with headlines. Eventually, even conservative papers began to follow the pattern.

The result was a confusion for the average reader who expected the facts on the front page and comments about the facts on the editorial pages.

Enter the cable and evening news on TV. Same thing began to happen.

Fox news puts it "News" content out during most of the day. It broadcasts opinion about the news using commentators who fully claim to be broadcasting opinions. In their initial years, they made it clear, this was their program to bring the News and Comments about the news, in specificaly different programs.

Remarkably, despite the obvious disclaimers, many seemingly intelligent people are unable to tell the difference.

Including those at the White House.


roadster with a stick

And this is the problem I have with Fox, Franc, its that they don't really disclaim that it is opinion. They even bristle when you suggest it to them that they report with a bias and an agenda.

This Newsweek article is a great piece on why Fox "News" is dangrous. It makes great points about how it is influencing other organizations negatively (ahem, MSNBC) because they see how parading opinion as actual news can lead to rating increases. Why Fox News Is Un-American | Newsweek Newsweek Voices - Jacob Weisberg | Newsweek.com

Bluedog, this is why I call Fox out on this moreso than others. They are the ones pushing this trend forward, the primary influencers, if you will, in this "partisan-hackery-as-news" trend. Its not acceptable on either side, its just that today's conservative media tends to take it to a much farther extreme than their liberal counterparts.

[Franc Rauscher]

quote=PhillySRT]And this is the problem I have with Fox, Franc, its that they don't really disclaim that it is opinion. They even bristle when you suggest it to them that they report with a bias and an agenda.
This Newsweek article is a great piece on why Fox "News" is dangrous. It makes great points about how it is influencing other organizations negatively (ahem, MSNBC) because they see how parading opinion as actual news can lead to rating increases. Why Fox News Is Un-American | Newsweek Newsweek Voices - Jacob Weisberg | Newsweek.com

Bluedog, this is why I call Fox out on this moreso than others. They are the ones pushing this trend forward, the primary influencers, if you will, in this "partisan-hackery-as-news" trend. Its not acceptable on either side, its just that today's conservative media tends to take it to a much farther extreme than their liberal counterparts.[/quote]

Perhaps this helps;

O'reily is opinion
Hannity is opinion
Glenn Beck is opinion
Greta is opinion
Most of the guests these people have on give opinions.

The News broadcasts of Shepard, Bret Bauer, Brian Wilson, MaJor Garret et all are news items.

It's not always about what they say or even how they say it. It is about whether they decide what news you should, or should not, hear. To your marvelous source of honest criticism I would remind you that they buried the Monica Lewinsky story. They did nothing to investigate ACORN despite over 30 proven cases of voter fraud.

I don't like his slant on things but at least Anderson Cooper is an equal opportunity fair and balanced investigative reporter.
As for the Alphabet guys they suck up to the left so far they have to untie their neckties so Barry can clear his throat.

Newsweek is a cover to cover mag of opinion news pieces and not the best source of news much less their unbiased opinion of competing media.

In other words, citing Newsweek's analytical piece about FOX news analysis is a bit of a credibility stretch. Despite Newsweek's rather good pedigree. Would you completely accept Ford's criticisim about a Honda product?

But enough senseless debate on the sources of our news. Truth is that the media, Print and Broadcast, has an obligation recognized by the Founder's to be tenacious bulldogs at the heels of politicians. The purpose of the free press was not to form a cheerleading squad but to check and verify the performance and honesty of our government representatives. To be constantly cynical. Equaly suspisious of any and all parties.

And rabid, aggressive, investigators of the facts that matter to sustain our system and our freedom. We retain our right to a free press for the same reason we retain our right to bear arms. Given the assumption that men are born with an unalienable right to Freedom and the pursuit of happiness we must have the means to sustain it. And to prevent anyone or any government (including our own) from usurping those rights.

We are informed daily about the weaknesses of our politicians in their personal lives, but seldom their weakness in doing their feduciary responsiblity. Barney Frank may have a perfectly honorable personal life but his husbandry of Freddie and Fannie sucks. We heard as much about Rudy Guliani's three wives and estranged children as his politics.
If they ever get goods on Joe Lieberman, he will be crucified.

Does this give Americans information we can use in the voting booth? Are we deciding who should be in the White House and in Congress based on the personal dirt they have or don't have. Shouldn't we be interested in their track record in political office?

Given the choice, would you want someone who balanced the books, funded the fire and police, made the streets safe and let you keep your earnings your woodburning fireplace and incadescent light bulbs or a power grabbing control freak who recklessly spent money on programs for other people, taking it from Police and Fire, outlawing your choices about fireplaces, lightbulbs and disposable incomes? Would it matter which one got caught having an affair? Would it matter which one had disagreements with their kids?
Would it matter which one was Gay or Jewish, or dare I say it, Christian?

We need news that is news. We need news that is useful. We need military news from military personel not Whoopie Goldberg. Ted Turner is the last guy to comment on social programs. So was Ted Kennedy. Everyone has heard of Senator Craig gettiang caught up in an airport gay prostitute sting. How many know his voting record. To the average American, by which should he be measured?

Anita Dunn is a professed Maoist. She Praises Mao as a great leader who stood by his principles no matter what. Even if it meant the extermination of some 70 Million Chineese people. Ms. Dunn runs the communications dept of our White House. OUR White House. When Glenn Beck listed her with all the questionable people advising our President, and the things that he believes( his stated opinion) to be important to the future of our country, he got a little choked up. The news item reported on CNN was not the shock of a devout Communist in the Advisory staff of the White House. It was that Glenn cried on the air.
Yeah, that was a news story to them.

Until our News media gets their heads out of their @sses and stop sniffing at the rear end of their favored politicans, entertainers and celebrities, we will have suspect news. Until events on the ground in Afghanistan are more important than a foil muffin over the skies of Denver, we will have useless news, and until the media uses the same standard to decide whether to publishan story, regardless of party, we will have tainted biased news.

They all do it, including FOX.


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[bluedog]

This should make many of you laugh, and a couple of you (you know who you are) cringe.

Victim In Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Such hate, the couple of you have.

[Erzer]

Originally Posted by bluedog

This should make many of you laugh, and a couple of you (you know who you are) cringe.

Victim In Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Such hate, the couple of you have.

Personally, the whole thing is disgusting and would be no matter who they were targeting.

[bluedog]

Originally Posted by Erzer

Personally, the whole thing is disgusting and would be no matter who they were targeting.

I'm with you, Erzer. But it's too bad that there are people that actually feel that way. Sad.

So why is it that politics has become so ugly and divisive?

[Erzer]

Originally Posted by bluedog

I'm with you, Erzer. But it's too bad that there are people that actually feel that way. Sad.

So why is it that politics has become so ugly and divisive?

Why has politics become ugly and divisive...I'd say it has been for many years. I don't mind the divisiveness in as much as the "ugliness" as you put it. In this particular case, humor is something that has been perverted by the simple minds of a few.

[bluedog]

Originally Posted by Erzer

Why has politics become ugly and divisive...I'd say it has been for many years. I don't mind the divisiveness in as much as the "ugliness" as you put it. In this particular case, humor is something that has been perverted by the simple minds of a few.

That's all well and good, Erzer, but if you look past the ill-conceived Onion parody, this is exactly what is occurring in America. There are surely more than 'a few' that would relish in Glen Beck's death. And that is. sad. Even that idiot Kieth Oberman clearly and publicly wished him 'damned to hell' the other night.

And why is that? Is it because Beck is right? Say and think what you want about Beck, when he puts all of the puzzle pieces together, the pieces fit. Whether or not his version of the puzzle is correct, the pieces of the puzzle are based upon indisputable facts and the truth. Obama seems the mere front-man for some pretty nefarious folks - all the way to Soros himself - banded together in a quest for power over the common people they purport to represent. A democratic slavery.

But to wish a guy dead because he is right? Glen Beck and his family are in grave danger for embarrassing a failing president and exposing policies and ideologies contrary to America's core values. Now that the Progressives have actual responsibility, they seem to resort to name-calling and rhetorical whining when things don't fall exactly their way. Fine. Call everyone else racists and obstructionists. Fine. But violence and death wishes?

And to think we will have to suffer through three more years of it. . If we allow it.