Thanks Rcompart, that's what this forum is all about, finding stuff, and theen finding out about it. I have 3 scooters, well really step thru design motorcycles, from 150-650 cc's. I hear folks talk about the scoots they get for $1800, and I know exactly what they are-Chinese junk. You try to tell people this, but they don't do enough research to find out until they're left with an $1800 boat anchor. The chinese stuff is junk because they have almost no quality control over there, they just grab stuff from whatever mfg and toss it in, no support, no replacement parts, no service.