How many Crossfires were made?
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Nice work, thanks for the effort.
Note they were some SE Roadsters sold in the US as 2005 Model Year vehicles. They are most likely included in your Base Roadster count. The earliest SE I know of is VIN: 58295, Auto Transmission, built March, 11, 2005
As you stated your total reflects saleable units. Total production equals 76047
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Nice work, thanks for the effort.
Note they were some SE Roadsters sold in the US as 2005 Model Year vehicles. They are most likely included in your Base Roadster count. The earliest SE I know of is VIN: 58295, Auto Transmission, built March, 11, 2005
As you stated your total reflects saleable units. Total production equals 76047
Note they were some SE Roadsters sold in the US as 2005 Model Year vehicles. They are most likely included in your Base Roadster count. The earliest SE I know of is VIN: 58295, Auto Transmission, built March, 11, 2005
As you stated your total reflects saleable units. Total production equals 76047
So has someone confirmed Karmann built in sequence order? I see many members talking about their build number. I haven't seen a DC/FCA factory yet build in sequence order. Those Germans are very orderly though.
re: How many Crossfires were made?
I've attached edited versions of PLMCRZY's posts that are easier to read.
Last edited by dedwards0323; 01-10-2017 at 08:36 AM.
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Thanks for the input! Yeah I missed breaking out the '05 SEs. I'll fix the chart tonight. There were 262 built. 258 Autos and 4 Manuals. Lowest sequence SE in 2005 was 057254.
So has someone confirmed Karmann built in sequence order? I see many members talking about their build number. I haven't seen a DC/FCA factory yet build in sequence order. Those Germans are very orderly though.
So has someone confirmed Karmann built in sequence order? I see many members talking about their build number. I haven't seen a DC/FCA factory yet build in sequence order. Those Germans are very orderly though.
Yes, Karmann was very orderly in the built sequence with a few minor exceptions. Some 2004s with built issues (?) got pulled off the line and ended up with out of sequence manufacturing dates.
A bunch of early production 2005 Roadsters have built numbers that fall in the sequential range of late 2004 Model Year production.
They were other "normal" production exceptions. Early SRTs and early Model Year cars thrown in the sequential mix of previous Model Years. Nothing out of the ordinary manufacturing process and those cars can be easily identified by their Model Year designation in the VIN.
Is SE 57254 Auto or Manual Trans? Thanks
Last edited by MI1XFIRE; 01-10-2017 at 01:50 PM.
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Thank you.
I also agree with your original chart that had the 2004s in the same row as the later years Limited. They are a bunch closer to Limited than base models. In fact they are better equipped with a dimming mirror.
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Nice work, thanks for the effort.
Note they were some SE Roadsters sold in the US as 2005 Model Year vehicles. They are most likely included in your Base Roadster count. The earliest SE I know of is VIN: 58295, Auto Transmission, built March, 11, 2005
As you stated your total reflects saleable units. Total production equals 76047
Note they were some SE Roadsters sold in the US as 2005 Model Year vehicles. They are most likely included in your Base Roadster count. The earliest SE I know of is VIN: 58295, Auto Transmission, built March, 11, 2005
As you stated your total reflects saleable units. Total production equals 76047
The Crossfire VIN sequence has some overlap and gaps in the sequence as shown below. Total built was 76,020, not 76,047. The 76,020 includes 155 Test Cars/Pilots, 376 Marketing/Public Relations, and 24 Reliability Test Vehicles.
_YR_ __MIN___ __MAX__
2004 4X000014 4X025716
2005 5X003722 5X061093
2006 6X060753 6X069949
2007 7X068846 7X074262
2008 8X074186 8X076047
-=PLMCRZY=-
re: How many Crossfires were made?
"Total production equals 76047" Is this number based on the last sequence of 2008?
The Crossfire VIN sequence has some overlap and gaps in the sequence as shown below. Total built was 76,020, not 76,047. The 76,020 includes 155 Test Cars/Pilots, 376 Marketing/Public Relations, and 24 Reliability Test Vehicles.
_YR_ __MIN___ __MAX__
2004 4X000014 4X025716
2005 5X003722 5X061093
2006 6X060753 6X069949
2007 7X068846 7X074262
2008 8X074186 8X076047
-=PLMCRZY=-
The Crossfire VIN sequence has some overlap and gaps in the sequence as shown below. Total built was 76,020, not 76,047. The 76,020 includes 155 Test Cars/Pilots, 376 Marketing/Public Relations, and 24 Reliability Test Vehicles.
_YR_ __MIN___ __MAX__
2004 4X000014 4X025716
2005 5X003722 5X061093
2006 6X060753 6X069949
2007 7X068846 7X074262
2008 8X074186 8X076047
-=PLMCRZY=-
Correct the last sequential number was 76047
I heard they were disagreements between Chrysler and Karmann on what was to be considered as a saleable or non saleable unit. I believe those are some of the gaps you are seeing.
Here is an example of 2004 car with a prior VIN 4X000013 that I saw at the 2003 Chicago Auto Show I don't believe those early cars show up in the Chrysler Database and they must have been considered non saleable units.
I have also seen a VIN label from a Crossfire built in November of 2002 and test and marketing vehicles that were later sold in the US.
Do you have the details on unit 5X003722 listed above?
Thanks
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re: How many Crossfires were made?
Deep Throat does it again, I can see a movie in this with Tom Cruise starring. Throw in some gratuitous sex and violence and it cannot fail to be a hit. With an attempt at sex in the front seat I can see this movie being called Mission Impossible IX.
re: How many Crossfires were made?
PLMCRZY
Here are the 27 non saleable units that I believe are missing from the Chrysler Database. This would bring the total to 76047.
4X00001 to 00013
4X00015-16-18-19-21-25-26-30-32-34-36-37-39-40.
Can you verify that those VIN are not included in the Chrysler Database?
Thanks
Here are the 27 non saleable units that I believe are missing from the Chrysler Database. This would bring the total to 76047.
4X00001 to 00013
4X00015-16-18-19-21-25-26-30-32-34-36-37-39-40.
Can you verify that those VIN are not included in the Chrysler Database?
Thanks
re: How many Crossfires were made?
Correct the last sequential number was 76047
I heard they were disagreements between Chrysler and Karmann on what was to be considered as a saleable or non saleable unit. I believe those are some of the gaps you are seeing.
Here is an example of 2004 car with a prior VIN 4X000013 that I saw at the 2003 Chicago Auto Show I don't believe those early cars show up in the Chrysler Database and they must have been considered non saleable units.
I have also seen a VIN label from a Crossfire built in November of 2002 and test and marketing vehicles that were later sold in the US.
Do you have the details on unit 5X003722 listed above?
Thanks
I heard they were disagreements between Chrysler and Karmann on what was to be considered as a saleable or non saleable unit. I believe those are some of the gaps you are seeing.
Here is an example of 2004 car with a prior VIN 4X000013 that I saw at the 2003 Chicago Auto Show I don't believe those early cars show up in the Chrysler Database and they must have been considered non saleable units.
I have also seen a VIN label from a Crossfire built in November of 2002 and test and marketing vehicles that were later sold in the US.
Do you have the details on unit 5X003722 listed above?
Thanks
I took a closer look at the VIN sequences of all years. I must admit that Karmann was very unusual in how they issued their VINs for the Crossfires. I've never seen VIN sequences be essentially contiguous between years like this. I've pored over millions of VINs. I learn something new every day!
No gaps (except the 27 that you noted in 2004) or duplication in the sequence between years, but some overlap of the sequence ranges between years.
Model
Year MIN_range MAX_range VIN sequence number in prev year range
2004 4X000014 4X025716 (27 blank)
2005 5X003722 5X061093 566
2006 6X060753 6X069949 38
2007 7X068846 7X074262 21
2008 8X074186 8X076047 1
I can now see the thoughts behind the 76,047 total. Most car models have a few builds that never were intended for resale and then are later destroyed. If they weren't salable they were destroyed. My main data source is for built cars that have been or can be sold.
I think that is awesome you have a PIC of 4X000013
I was unable to find any history on 4X000013. VIN was not put into service and most likely destroyed along with others in the 2004 VIN gaps. I don't currently have a way to determine if there were vehicles built and then destroyed in the VIN gaps. A typical factory year has many VIN gaps throughout the sequence. Karmann is obviously not typical.
-=PLMCRZY=-
re: How many Crossfires were made?
5X003722 Black, CROSSFIRE SRT-6 COUPE, 5spd Auto, PUERTO RICO shipped
I took a closer look at the VIN sequences of all years. I must admit that Karmann was very unusual in how they issued their VINs for the Crossfires. I've never seen VIN sequences be essentially contiguous between years like this. I've pored over millions of VINs. I learn something new every day!
No gaps (except the 27 that you noted in 2004) or duplication in the sequence between years, but some overlap of the sequence ranges between years.
Model
Year MIN_range MAX_range VIN sequence number in prev year range
2004 4X000014 4X025716 (27 blank)
2005 5X003722 5X061093 566
2006 6X060753 6X069949 38
2007 7X068846 7X074262 21
2008 8X074186 8X076047 1
I can now see the thoughts behind the 76,047 total. Most car models have a few builds that never were intended for resale and then are later destroyed. If they weren't salable they were destroyed. My main data source is for built cars that have been or can be sold.
I think that is awesome you have a PIC of 4X000013
I was unable to find any history on 4X000013. VIN was not put into service and most likely destroyed along with others in the 2004 VIN gaps. I don't currently have a way to determine if there were vehicles built and then destroyed in the VIN gaps. A typical factory year has many VIN gaps throughout the sequence. Karmann is obviously not typical.
-=PLMCRZY=-
I took a closer look at the VIN sequences of all years. I must admit that Karmann was very unusual in how they issued their VINs for the Crossfires. I've never seen VIN sequences be essentially contiguous between years like this. I've pored over millions of VINs. I learn something new every day!
No gaps (except the 27 that you noted in 2004) or duplication in the sequence between years, but some overlap of the sequence ranges between years.
Model
Year MIN_range MAX_range VIN sequence number in prev year range
2004 4X000014 4X025716 (27 blank)
2005 5X003722 5X061093 566
2006 6X060753 6X069949 38
2007 7X068846 7X074262 21
2008 8X074186 8X076047 1
I can now see the thoughts behind the 76,047 total. Most car models have a few builds that never were intended for resale and then are later destroyed. If they weren't salable they were destroyed. My main data source is for built cars that have been or can be sold.
I think that is awesome you have a PIC of 4X000013
I was unable to find any history on 4X000013. VIN was not put into service and most likely destroyed along with others in the 2004 VIN gaps. I don't currently have a way to determine if there were vehicles built and then destroyed in the VIN gaps. A typical factory year has many VIN gaps throughout the sequence. Karmann is obviously not typical.
-=PLMCRZY=-
Thank you for your contribution, it has filled-in the blanks to my 10 years research of Crossfire production history. To have someone with access and knowledge of manufacturing sequence is a great benefit to the forum.
VIN 5X003722 Black, CROSSFIRE SRT-6 COUPE, 5spd Auto, shipped to PUERTO RICO is a VERY BIG DEAL. Originally unknown to the Crossfire community it is now the FIRST SRT-6built and sold with the biggest gap in sequential numbering to the regular 2005 Model Year production.
THANK YOU