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The wheel lock-to-lock trick is to get the BAS/ESP light to go off after a dyno or any other time you've removed Fuse 17/18. When you have those fuses removed I believe you have completely disabled the ESP system therefore the sensors that detect when your tires have lost traction are not functioning. These sensors being tripped by a loss of traction are what I believe causes the TC light to flicker or come on.

I think you are good to go as soon as you re-install fuse 17/18.

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so if i remove 17/18 i have no traction control at all? on a 04 crossfire

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I will not be liable for saying yes or no as I am not 100% certain, but I think that is correct. I never have felt the need to pull those fuses, and just don't think I'll ever see the need.

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XF725, it's my understanding that even pulling the fuse # 17 & 18 dosen't completely shut the traction control off.
I had to disconnect the "center" wire on the ECU to totally disable the TC, but it also eliminates the anti-lock brakes as well.
As far as I know, only the 2004 6 spd Crossfires can get away with this procedure with no other ill effects.
I don't recommend that you do it, so if you choose to do so, it's at your own risk.
I had to do it, because my car had an overly sensitive TC and the slightest wheelspin would put my car into "limp mode". So you can imagine the dangerous situations I got myself into more than once while pulling out into on coming traffic.

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There is no second ESP lamp other than the BAS/ESP lamp.


Pulling #17 and #18 pretty much totally disables the TCS and ESP....... with one huge warning though.

If you do this be ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU CHECK THAT THE BRAKE LIGHTS STILL WORK!!!!!!!!!!!

I've only tried this on 2005 and 2004 models..... on my 2005 I had no problem with the brake lights, on MI1XFIRE's 2004 the brake lights were not working at all.

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in my motor bay in my fuse box i dont have a 17 and 18 fuse. the holes are closed up. an i got no lights on. never pulled it or nothing. i bought it from someone who drove it only on sunday . would ahve never pulled it? i have a 04 crossfire manual. is it in a diff place? and if not what the hell is the center wire on the ecu lol. cause i wanna put the two fuses on switches. please help me locate

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my fuse panel says 17 andd 18 are free spots. Like not used. So wat fuses would I ppull were should I look?

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On 04 models there is a small fuse block in front of the battery. Inside there are three fused links(there are slots for four). The center one I believe is the traction control. It's marked Hydraulic traction or something like that. I can post a pic tomorrow if you have problems finding it.

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if you can that woud help. i just looked thnk i found it. its like a wire going to a 50amp fuse? so i dissconect the wire? and i have no traction crontrol? and would i be abe to cut the wire and splice it into a switch, and will dash lights come on? thank you

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If you want to have fun, you can pull off the plug of the yaw rate sensor.
But note that this will cause a P code.

It's not a good idea to remove fuse 17/18 and drive, because than the electronic brake force distribution is disabled.

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As I said earlier, besides losing you TC, you will also lose your anti lock brakes, and yes, the warning lights will stay on.
As Apkano pointed out, I guess only the 6spds. can get away with it. MI1XFIRE has an 04 automatic. So it effected his brake lights.
I would assume an on/off switch could be installed, but on a 50 amp fuse, I would think it would have to be pretty heavy duty.

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Yeah, 50 Amps would require a relay. IMO it's not worth the trouble.

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So I have full traction control off. Muchh easier to spin out :) lol.....and I have a extra hid relay. Would I beable to use that? Between the sire an the switch, or between the switch and the fuse

An if I can't use that relay, still would the relay be bettween the source and the switch or between the source and the fuse?

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Once you get it fixed you should come to the dragon. I'll let you lead.

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Yeah bro would love that. I'm estimatiing another month till done.....idk if ne of ya remember, alotta people were telling me to dcap her, an now its gonna look a million times better then I had it. Real exxcited. Were is the run located.

An still gotta answer my question....will a hid relay I have left over work? Dnt see why not?....an also dose the relay go between the source and the switch or the switch and the fuse?

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Anyone. Please thanks

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anyone can help?

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As said before:
Pull off the plug of the yaw rate sensor.
But note that this will cause a P code.

Don't remove fuse 17/18 and drive, because than the electronic brake force distribution is disabled.

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Is the relay rated for 14V and 50 Amps? I personally would use one that is rated higher than the fuse, like 60 amps.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-VOLT-SUPER-RELAY-60-AMPS-VERY-RARE-ITEM-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2304af9eccQQitemZ15040 2473676QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts

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Ok now let's say I cut the wire that has the the nut on it before the fuse. I cut the wire before the fuse. Let's call it the source side and fuse side. So would I put the relay off of the source side and the switch, or connect the source side to the switch n have the relay between the switch and the fuse side? My guess would be between the source and switch but not 100% shure. And is there any negitive or damages that could happen to my car by doing this? I think I should be good if its on a little switch. I doont need a special switch I can use a little silver toggle switch non lighted right.

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and woud this be normaly open or normaly closed. cause i found these relays on ebay as well, a bit cheaper. what one would work the best?

60 / 80 AMP RELAY SPDT SINGLE POLE DOUBLE THROW NEW 654 | eBay

Relay w/Wired Socket, 5-Pole, 40/60 amp, 12 volts D/C - eBay (item 230519498602 end time Mar-30-11 07:54:29 PDT)

^^this come with the socket so i hope this can work

also need an answer with the above post i posted****

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It comes with a socket but look at the gauge of the wire. It is way smaller than what you are connecting to. I think you need to find someone local to help you wire/solder this if you are serious about trying this. To my knowledge no one has performed this mod with a relay on the 04. It's highly possible that you will get a CEL. I disconnected mine when the battery was disconnected. It's been a couple years since I did this but I think all that happened was the BAS/ESP light came on. After playing around with it for a few minutes I reconnected the wire.
If you do it yourself you want a normally closed circuit so that when the coil is energized the circuit is interrupted/open.

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Well #1 ill get one with out the socket and wire it up my self. I'm going to get this to work. Ill video tape it afterwards also. But anyway, what is CEL? And doing this mode will give me 0 traction control right? :) lol. And also if a relay has 4 prong what goes where? I'm figureing I am only going to use 3 wires. From the wire into the ralay then a wire to the switch and a wire prob. For ground I think. Is the correct? And what would the 4th one do? Do I need a special switch? Cause I'm going to use a normal little silver toggle switch. So I need a normaly closed relay rated for 50amps or more. Just need help on the prongs for the relay.


and i just bought this, this should work
http://cgi.ebay.com/60-80-AMP-RELAY-...item19b2bf3afa

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Spdt Relay

Check out the link above, it has a standard SPDT relay schematic(should be similar to the one you bought). When the coil has no power to it pin 30 and 87a are connected. So cut the traction control wire and wire each end to 30 and 87a. When the coil has power running through it (via your switch you wire in)pin 30 and 87 are connected. If you don't connect pin 87 to anything you will be disconnecting the circuit/ turning off traction control. CEL= Check Engine Light
Check out this wiki page for basics of operation.
Relay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Ok so cut the traction control wire, connect one side of the wire to pin 30 and the other to 87a. I kno there a total of 4 pins you only explained 3. So 30 and 87a are going to be the traction control wire. What would go on the other to pins? Like how to set up the other two pins.hard to wrap my head around it

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There are 5 pins on that relay.
85 and 86 are for the coil. Connect one to ground and one to your switch.
pin 30 and 87a like you stated above
and 87 does not get used.

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So let's say from 85 its grounded to the frame. Then from pin 86 is a wire to one side of the switch. Wat will go on the other side of the switch? A possitve source or a body ground?

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Positive source.

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Well I wanna put my switch next to the cig lighter outlet. So I can prob just splice that wire into the switch that would work safey right.

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That would work but you need to put a 1 amp fuse inline in case of a short circuit. I'm pretty sure that is what most relay coils are rated at.

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i go to lincoln tech for diesel mechanics. and i was talk to my teacher and he drew up this pic for me on how to do this.

cut the 50 amp traction control wire. put one side to pin 30 and one side to pin 87. then have a battery possitve wire thats also fused like 15amp fuse to pin 85. and then pin 86 will go to one side of the switch.and the other side of the switch to body ground. so you toggle the ground instead of the power. much safer and less chance of under dash fires. relay should come in soon. so im am going to try to hook up. car already has a CEL light on now cause of my accident so im not going to be able to tell people if its throughing a code or not untile another 2 weeks or so.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...067352576-1&zw

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Does anyone know if Crossfire 725 ever got this mod to work properly?


I want to autocross my XF a few time this year and my BAS/ESP isn't allowing any fun at all. Right now if I even attempt to accelerate in a corner the BAS/ESP light comes on, throttle is cut, and ABS kicks in.


It also happened a couple of days ago when I downshifted and romped on the throttle on the freeway on ramp. I nearly got rear ended by the car behind me when throttle chopped and ABS kicked in.

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Unplug ABS/ESP pump plug and have fun :p