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srtswizz Nov 14, 2010 08:12 PM

Car won't start! ... need help diagnosing the issue
 
Over the weekend my SRT initially had a issue of a really rough idle when I came to a stop light. I turned the car off at the light and re started and everything ran fine but a check engine light came on. The next day I go to autozone to try and get the code but as the ground was wet the employee would not go read the code.. he refers me elsewhere and I go try that and it closed already. So I go home and decide to disconnect the battery and reset the code. Had the battery disconnected for a half hour and I reattach everything and the car will not start. I went and bought a new battery as the car was still on stock and it had corrosion issues so why not get a new one. Hook it up and same problem it wont start. All the lights on the dash flicker when trying to ignite the motor as it it makes click noises. I had the CPS replaced a few weeks prior as that went bad. I am completely lost and cant think of what the issue is. Can anyone here give me some guidance on what I should look at before I get it sent off to get it looked at?

musicnsurf Nov 14, 2010 09:01 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by srtswizz
Over the weekend my SRT initially had a issue of a really rough idle when I came to a stop light. I turned the car off at the light and re started and everything ran fine but a check engine light came on. The next day I go to autozone to try and get the code but as the ground was wet the employee would not go read the code.. he refers me elsewhere and I go try that and it closed already. So I go home and decide to disconnect the battery and reset the code. Had the battery disconnected for a half hour and I reattach everything and the car will not start. I went and bought a new battery as the car was still on stock and it had corrosion issues so why not get a new one. Hook it up and same problem it wont start. All the lights on the dash flicker when trying to ignite the motor as it it makes click noises. I had the CPS replaced a few weeks prior as that went bad. I am completely lost and cant think of what the issue is. Can anyone here give me some guidance on what I should look at before I get it sent off to get it looked at?

new battery? proper (read high) cca? cable ends and battery terminals wire brush clean? these cars are unforgiving if the basics aren't checked first.

srtswizz Nov 14, 2010 09:43 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 
Brand new Diehard battery , 730 CCA, Cable ends have been cleaned also

onehundred80 Nov 14, 2010 09:58 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by srtswizz
Brand new Diehard battery , 730 CCA, Cable ends have been cleaned also

There was a similar post a month or so ago, flickering lights etc. I cannot find it though and I have forgot the results.
EDIT
They replaced the ground cable completely. It was corroded inside the cable itself and I guess it could not be seen.
'Search' is your friend and mine.

musicnsurf Nov 14, 2010 11:17 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by srtswizz
Brand new Diehard battery , 730 CCA, Cable ends have been cleaned also

ok...cca is within lower parameters. what i inferred/implied about the cable ends is that both are clean. positive connection and chassis/body ground. both ends. even in the dry heat calif central valley, i make sure they are very happy (ie; inspect twice a month). corrosion can be very slight. if you're in a coastal or midwest location, i'd be suspect. good luck and i hope it's an easy fix.

srtswizz Nov 14, 2010 11:26 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 
I believe I'm going to have to inspect the cable ends again tomorrow and try and deep clean on them and if that does not work I'll replace them. Lets hope those work and if not to the shop it goes :(

naudi90 Nov 15, 2010 12:27 AM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 
I had the exact same issue. My battery died on me while the alarm was activated. Manually opening the door produced the alarm (very loud!). I unplugged the battery and pulled the alarm fuse.

Upon installing a new battery and replacing the fuse, I tried restarting the car and also got everything to light up, but just got clicking. I closed the hood (previously I was leaving it open while I was reinstalling and testing), and it started right up! No problems since.

Try the easy stuff first: close all doors and lock car. Unlock, get in, close everything and try it. It's worth a shot before you go down another route.

Good luck!

Jeremy

P.S. If this works for you report back so future searches yield valuable results.

Nightbear Nov 15, 2010 03:16 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 
RCM?

https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...-no-start.html

srtswizz Nov 15, 2010 11:24 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 
I got it fixed! Ended up being the cable ends still had some corrosion hidden on the bottom end. Amazing how finicky the car is about voltage

onehundred80 Nov 16, 2010 08:52 AM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by musicnsurf
ok...cca is within lower parameters. .................

What do you mean?

musicnsurf Nov 16, 2010 06:15 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80
What do you mean?

depending on your location, 730 cca is on the lower side of an oem upgrade. personally, i would have gone with a napa 84 month (770 cca) or higher since these cars like their juice. i'm really glad that srtswizz was able to find an easy fix and got an appropriate battery in the process.:D

onehundred80 Nov 16, 2010 11:11 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by musicnsurf
depending on your location, 730 cca is on the lower side of an oem upgrade. personally, i would have gone with a napa 84 month (770 cca) or higher since these cars like their juice. i'm really glad that srtswizz was able to find an easy fix and got an appropriate battery in the process.:D

Batteries with a very high cca are not the best because of the high cca. They give a high amperage to start the car but the storage (amp hours) is much lower.
It's a trade off, you either have a battery that stores a lot of power or you have one that has a higher cca. It all depends on the number of plates in each cell. More plates equals higher cca, less plates equal more reserve capacity.
The OEM Varta battery had around 640cca, with a reserve capacity of 150 minutes. This was a good battery and more than adequate for the task.
My earlier post, lost in the past these days, explains this in more detail. Follow the sites at the bottom and you can learn more than you ever wanted or need to know about batteries.;)
Light weight batteries do not store much power, they cannot because there is no mass to store the power. The heavier the battery the more power it can store.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post340783

musicnsurf Nov 17, 2010 12:43 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80
Batteries with a very high cca are not the best because of the high cca. They give a high amperage to start the car but the storage (amp hours) is much lower.
It's a trade off, you either have a battery that stores a lot of power or you have one that has a higher cca. It all depends on the number of plates in each cell. More plates equals higher cca, less plates equal more reserve capacity.
The OEM Varta battery had around 640cca, with a reserve capacity of 150 minutes. This was a good battery and more than adequate for the task.
My earlier post, lost in the past these days, explains this in more detail. Follow the sites at the bottom and you can learn more than you ever wanted or need to know about batteries.;)
Light weight batteries do not store much power, they cannot because there is no mass to store the power. The heavier the battery the more power it can store.
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post340783

like i said, i prefer the napa legend 84 over the oem. read the stats on that. it has higher cca, etc. much like you described. imho, one should always consider upgrading when replacing oem...especially with our electrics. however, i defer to my elder on this one.;)

onehundred80 Nov 17, 2010 02:36 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by musicnsurf
like i said, i prefer the napa legend 84 over the oem. read the stats on that. it has higher cca, etc. much like you described. imho, one should always consider upgrading when replacing oem...especially with our electrics. however, i defer to my elder on this one.;)

If you live in sunny California then CCA is not so important, you want one with a higher reserve capacity.
Less plates giving less CCA are stronger batteries as long as the battery weight is the same and the design equal. Stronger batteries last longer than batteries that have to give out a lot of CCA which weakens the battery integrity over time.
This car needs a strong and steady battery not necessarily a high CCA, which only comes into play when starting.

Buy a battery that suits your driving conditions.

musicnsurf Nov 17, 2010 04:49 PM

Re: Car won't start!.. need help diagnosing the issue
 

Originally Posted by onehundred80
If you live in sunny California then CCA is not so important, you want one with a higher reserve capacity.
Less plates giving less CCA are stronger batteries as long as the battery weight is the same and the design equal. Stronger batteries last longer than batteries that have to give out a lot of CCA which weakens the battery integrity over time.
This car needs a strong and steady battery not necessarily a high CCA, which only comes into play when starting.

Buy a battery that suits your driving conditions.

okay. .....;)


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