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robby363 11-05-2012 03:47 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by bruco1 (Post 706738)
standard MB practice for a blown fuse was to replace the pump until they found out surge current was tripping it lol

Maybe that's why they used a 10 amp fuse for the SRT6.

latemodel21 11-05-2012 03:58 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by robby363 (Post 706739)
Maybe that's why they used a 10 amp fuse for the SRT6.

My SRT6 documentation shows F13 as a 5amp ... if that was changed to a 10amp ... well, that supports my theory : )

Chris

robby363 11-05-2012 04:17 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 
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Originally Posted by latemodel21 (Post 706746)
My SRT6 documentation shows F13 as a 5amp ... if that was changed to a 10amp ... well, that supports my theory : )

Chris

This is from the SRT6 service manual.

latemodel21 11-05-2012 04:44 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 
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Originally Posted by robby363 (Post 706750)
This is from the SRT6 service manual.


this is from the SAME manual .... (different page) ... if you average the TWO values that Chrysler calls out .... voila ! you get 7.5 amps ... the Mercedes service bulletin value :D

It's great when we can all agree


Chris

Julio77270 03-05-2014 10:51 AM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 
I'm also interested to knwo where is located ?
Thanks

scottevil 09-26-2018 12:25 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by latemodel21 (Post 706694)
here is the part of the schematic that shows the entire IC pump circuit. It is designated as "M44".

The relay that you seek is part of the "N65" Pulse Module. it is located in the same box as the fuse (drivers side on real cars ... passenger side on yours : )

However, I have NEVER ever heard of this (relay) being the failure. with rare exception, the pump fails (fuse blows) by 20,000 to 30,000 miles AND replacing the pump and fuse solves the problem.

Worth noting on my 1st SLK32 (which I bought at 30,000 miles) the pump was not running when I bought it. the fuse was blown and I replaced it (fuse only) ... and it worked (until 50,000 ?) when the fuse blew agian ... once more I replaced it (fuse only) and it lasted for more than 10,000 or 20,000 additional miles until it blew one more time (and this time the pump actually had failed) So. I finally replaced the pump for the FIRST time near 80,000 miles. NOW, on my 3rd SLK32, I bought it with 17,000 miles AND ITS FUSE WAS BLOWN ALSO when I bought it. I replaced the fuse and have put 1,000 miles on it since and it is still working fine. MY POINT... while this part does NOT last the life of the car, I Suspect it is slightly under-fused and often prematurely replaced. (I seem to recall a mention somewhere that a higher value fuse is used in other models, but never looked into it.

Hope the schematic helps,
Chris

Well, you can write it down, you have NOW heard of the relay going bad: https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml

latemodel21 09-26-2018 01:18 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by scottevil (Post 912719)
Well, you can write it down, you have NOW heard of the relay going bad: https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...tml#post912718

I will write it down when I hear that replacing the relay solved the problem : )



if you log the drive side of the relay (or replace the relay) you should have something more definitive

cheers,
Chris

scottevil 02-25-2019 04:53 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by latemodel21 (Post 912721)
I will write it down when I hear that replacing the relay solved the problem : )



if you log the drive side of the relay (or replace the relay) you should have something more definitive

cheers,
Chris

Fair :-) Well, minimally, it was not the pump. For me, doing the jumper in the box on the driver's side did the trick. One can only deduce that it was the relay, as the computer seems to be reading temps correctly (based on Torque). If it wasn't the relay, it would have to be a glitch with the computer, which I find very implausible. Changing the relay though, is beyond what I want to do with this car :-)

latemodel21 02-26-2019 11:03 AM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by scottevil (Post 919545)
Fair :-) Well, minimally, it was not the pump. For me, doing the jumper in the box on the driver's side did the trick. One can only deduce that it was the relay, as the computer seems to be reading temps correctly (based on Torque). If it wasn't the relay, it would have to be a glitch with the computer, which I find very implausible. Changing the relay though, is beyond what I want to do with this car :-)

Since I am not familiar with the " jumper in the box on the driver's side" , I will have to speculate that you shorted E2 to E7 (on the N65) (which bypasses the relay and ecu drive circuit and runs the charge cooler pump directly from "circuit 15" (ignition on) power). This would make your pump run BOTH if your relay were bad OR if your ECU relay drive signal were missing. Worth noting, E2 is un-fused so one should be careful to keep the key out of the ignition and not to let this wire touch ground while messing about with it (could result in harness or ignition switch melt-down).

While I've not heard of the charge cooler relay failing (yet), it seem it IS the most likely culprit in your case. HOWEVER, in order to know more conclusively, you would need to remove your " jumper in the box on the driver's side" and short the ECU drive signal (E5) to ground. If the pump runs (key must be in run position) your ECU (or the connection between the ecu and the N65) is the issue. If the pump does not, then the relay is the issue.

but it sounds like you have solved your issue to your satisfaction, so I understand if you don't go any further.

Cheers,
Chris​​​​​​​
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...5167bca617.jpg

scottevil 02-26-2019 01:09 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 
Chris,
That is dead on. Sorry for being lazy and not citing the N65 diagram and post. My brain is so overloaded with work stuff that I didn't have the energy to reply with detail. That bit about testing E5 is really, really interesting. I may do this, just because the engineer side of my brain hates not knowing. I have the car stored for the winter, but will dig it back out in the spring and test.

I would like to help others who might be in the same situation. Is the relay replaceable? I would prefer to fix this right, then have the jumper between E2 and E7...

Best Regards
Scott M

latemodel21 02-26-2019 01:36 PM

Re: SLK32 ic pump relay question
 

Originally Posted by scottevil (Post 919590)
Chris,
That is dead on. Sorry for being lazy and not citing the N65 diagram and post. My brain is so overloaded with work stuff that I didn't have the energy to reply with detail. That bit about testing E5 is really, really interesting. I may do this, just because the engineer side of my brain hates not knowing. I have the car stored for the winter, but will dig it back out in the spring and test.

I would like to help others who might be in the same situation. Is the relay replaceable? I would prefer to fix this right, then have the jumper between E2 and E7...

Best Regards
Scott M

... everything is replaceable ... however, not sure if it makes sense here.

your current set-up is actually considered to be an upgrade to many (having pump always come on with key in run).

relative to repairing or replacing the relay in the N65 ... FIRST, I would confirm that it IS the problem.
I could not find a pic of an r170 N65, but I suspect it is fairly similar to this w210 N65
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cro...126eecf905.jpg

if you had the N65 in your hand, I would look for cold (poor) solder connections both at the connectors and at the relay. I burnt relay contact could be cleaned as well.

Alternatively, you could wire in a "bosch style" 30/40 amp relay (externally)
connect E2 to 86 and 30 (or, if want to be "perfect" , wire E2 to 86 AND A1 to 30 ... but it will work the same)
connect E5 to 85
connect E7 to 87
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...R5WmrIpeKttXVb

hope that helps,
Chris


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