Turning the pulley
I have a PM out to grip grip but if anyone else knows this would the grooves have to be cut when taking off 4mm's? my measurements show the 74mm is the overall, grooves are at lea st 2mm deeper so when we talk 74mm it is the overall so do grooves need to be cut? Thx, Mark
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Re: Turning the pulley
I'd have the groves reproduced as close to stock as possible even if it means sacrificing overall diameter.
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Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Sweet2002
(Post 839064)
I have a PM out to grip grip but if anyone else knows this would the grooves have to be cut when taking off 4mm's? my measurements show the 74mm is the overall, grooves are at lea st 2mm deeper so when we talk 74mm it is the overall so do grooves need to be cut? Thx, Mark
You could conceivably make a groove say .11 deep with .020 rads in the corners, the width of the groove, included angle and the radii at the top would have to be the same as the OEM pulley. You would gain .050 on the inside diameter of the groove or you could make the outside groove diameter .05 smaller. It would be weaker because of the smaller radii but .... You do not want to lose the existing belt contact area or it is a step backward. |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by grip grip
(Post 839066)
I'd have the groves reproduced as close to stock as possible even if it means sacrificing overall diameter.
"Ideal" pulley design? - Page 2 - MBWorld.org Forums Don't be this guy: getting s/c pulley machined down today - Page 3 - MBWorld.org Forums http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3959/photo1gv.jpg My stock pulley looks different. The outside flange is equal in diameter to the grooved section and in your pic your grooved section is deep by a lot. Is that cut from a stock pulley? I would think not or the Crossfire has a different pulley design than my older 2002 SLK32. maybe I should see if Themguy turning mine can just do the grooved section to leave a bit of a ridge, .080", to help keep the belt on? |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by onehundred80
(Post 839115)
The OEM pulley grooves are about .135 deep and the rib on the belt is about .08 deep with squarish corners at the root.
You could conceivably make a groove say .11 deep with .020 rads in the corners, the width of the groove, included angle and the radii at the top would have to be the same as the OEM pulley. You would gain .050 on the inside diameter of the groove or you could make the outside groove diameter .05 smaller. It would be weaker because of the smaller radii but .... You do not want to lose the existing belt contact area or it is a step backward. |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Sweet2002
(Post 839130)
The SLK grooves are not that deep. I measure .090". Shop plans to make a tool to duplicate the stock groove shape and I left him a belt with the fact it needs to sit flat against the pulley after the machining is complete. the grooves measured at the largest diameter after cutting should not be less than 68mm if cut at .090", 2.25mm's.
To measure the depth accurately you need to do it this way or use a depth micrometer with a point on it, using a scale does not take into account the radius at the bottom of the groove. Measured with a engineers scale I get roughly .120" depth, the scale is .040 thick. I did measure the whole groove profile but my filing system weaknesses allowed me to lose the paper with the sizes on it.:( The SLK uses the same pulley I am sure so that is a bit strange. |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by onehundred80
(Post 839136)
I measured the groove depth (.135") on a shadow graph (10:1) and that dimension should be within a thou or so.
To measure the depth accurately you need to do it this way or use a depth micrometer with a point on it, using a scale does not take into account the radius at the bottom of the groove. Measured with a engineers scale I get roughly .120" depth, the scale is .040 thick. I did measure the whole groove profile but my filing system weaknesses allowed me to lose the paper with the sizes on it.:( The SLK uses the same pulley I am sure so that is a bit strange. |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by grip grip
(Post 839066)
I'd have the groves reproduced as close to stock as possible even if it means sacrificing overall diameter.
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Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Sweet2002
(Post 839137)
My depth gauge did not have a point. The belt does not go that deep so I guess the depth is a function/result of the tool shape used for the angles.
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I think I'll visit that shop today and talk about the grooves. I was thinking about going to 69mm but that would not lave much of the originsl groove left. This is not a shop with CNC machines but an old building(for sale) with 1-2 employees. I got the impression the owner was going to take on the project himself. Anything I should tell him but not get him upset about the level of importance the grooves assume which would be what on a scale of 1-10? I would think if the bely sits flat on the pulley and has as much a degree of friction surface that is possible we should be OK. To me the belt has a strange asymetrical shape, I'll bring glasses. I need to have him get this right as it will save a SC pulley and get the 178/PSK on so much sooner.
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here is a link to the specs needed for making a cutting tool.
ISCAR Cutting Tools - Metal Working Tools - GPV However, I would just have a shop that has already successfully done one for a forum member do yours. my $.02 Chris |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by latemodel21
(Post 839255)
here is a link to the specs needed for making a cutting tool.
ISCAR Cutting Tools - Metal Working Tools - GPV However, I would just have a shop that has already successfully done one for a forum member do yours. my $.02 Chris |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Lenin
(Post 839263)
Hi Chris, which shop is that? I may be interested too.
I was alluding to shops that have been used by members such as Grip Grip and Jefasold (and others) successfully as OPPOSED to a shop that has never done it before. While a shop that has CNC equipment is not required ... it is desired. As you well know, this pulley (and the patch of belt it is in contact with at any given instant) is trying to transfer 30-60 horsepower in order to compress the air (and subsequently burn the rubber off our tires :D ) However, some don't know how critical the pulley groove profile is to this .... hence my 2 cents Cheers, Chris |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by latemodel21
(Post 839267)
Hi Robert,
I was alluding to shops that have been used by members such as Grip Grip and Jefasold (and others) successfully as OPPOSED to a shop that has never done it before. While a shop that has CNC equipment is not required ... it is desired. As you well know, this pulley (and the patch of belt it is in contact with at any given instant) is trying to transfer 30-60 horsepower in order to compress the air (and subsequently burn the rubber off our tires :D ) However, some don't know how critical the pulley groove profile is to this .... hence my 2 cents Cheers, Chris |
Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Lenin
(Post 839273)
And I just thought that you would save me some time and recommend a shop I can use. But thank you anyway.
Cheers, Chris |
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Well, I think I need a diFferent shop. When looking at everything as a whole I agree on not taking a chance. Now to find that shop Anthony used......
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Originally Posted by Sweet2002
(Post 839277)
Well, I think I need a diFferent shop. When looking at everything as a whole I agree on not taking a chance. Now to find that shop Anthony used......
here is the invoice for his first ... the second was $140 Attachment 40097 |
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Anthony used that shop almost 4 years ago. Can't hurt to call and ask:)
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Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Sweet2002
(Post 839316)
Anthony used that shop almost 4 years ago. Can't hurt to call and ask:)
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Re: Turning the pulley
Originally Posted by Lenin
(Post 839273)
And I just thought that you would save me some time and recommend a shop I can use. But thank you anyway.
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