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sonoronos Apr 21, 2008 12:53 PM

Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
The S2000 sold the following numbers from 2004 to 2007:

(US sales numbers)

2004 - 7,320
2005 - 7,780
2006 - 6,271
2007 - 4,302

(Before you ask - the international numbers are around 50% of the US sales total)

For the XF to have sold even 60,000 units, consider that for the period of time between 2004 and 2007, the XF needed to sell 15,000 a year - more than double S2000 sales - even including international sales!

Sources:
  1. ^ American Honda Sets New All-Time Sales Record (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2005-01-04). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  2. ^ American Honda Posts Ninth Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2005 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2006-01-04). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  3. ^ American Honda Posts 10th Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2006 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2007-01-03). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  4. ^ American Honda Posts 11th Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2007 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2008-01-03). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
:confused:

My thinking is that the variety of colors, interiors, and having both coupes and roadsters contributed to the XF's sales numbers.

Have some pride in your cars, people!

bigbengt67 Apr 21, 2008 02:05 PM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
Most 2 door coupes only sell well in their first couple of years. The S2000 came out new for model year 2000. Find the sales numbers from 2000-2002 and I bet they'd be a little higher.

parawxman Apr 21, 2008 02:08 PM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
What a relief, more validation. It was the rafter and a rope for me before this came to light.


Originally Posted by sonoronos
The S2000 sold the following numbers from 2004 to 2007:

(US sales numbers)

2004 - 7,320
2005 - 7,780
2006 - 6,271
2007 - 4,302

(Before you ask - the international numbers are around 50% of the US sales total)

For the XF to have sold even 60,000 units, consider that for the period of time between 2004 and 2007, the XF needed to sell 15,000 a year - more than double S2000 sales - even including international sales!

Sources:
  1. ^ American Honda Sets New All-Time Sales Record (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2005-01-04). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  2. ^ American Honda Posts Ninth Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2005 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2006-01-04). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  3. ^ American Honda Posts 10th Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2006 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2007-01-03). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
  4. ^ American Honda Posts 11th Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2007 (HTML) (English). Honda Media Newsroom. Honda Motor Company (2008-01-03). Retrieved on 2008-04-04.
:confused:

My thinking is that the variety of colors, interiors, and having both coupes and roadsters contributed to the XF's sales numbers.

Have some pride in your cars, people!


sonoronos Apr 21, 2008 03:37 PM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 

Originally Posted by parawxman
What a relief, more validation. It was the rafter and a rope for me before this came to light.

Lol....that's what I'm here for, para!

S2000 sales (the early years):

1999 - 3,400
2000 - 6,797
2001 - 9,682
2002 - 9,684
2003 - 7,888

Sources:
  1. ^ Honda Vehicle Sales in the U.S.. Honda News. Retrieved on 2007-03-18.
  2. ^ American Honda Posts 10th Consecutive Year of Record Sales in 2006. Honda News. Retrieved on 2007-03-18.

Mike-in-Orange Apr 21, 2008 09:01 PM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
Odd then that I see a couple of Crossfires a week on the roads here in SoCal but several S2000s every day.

ws6vert Apr 22, 2008 06:19 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
The kids (ricers) around here have got there hands on them it seems. Everyone seems to have a fart can on it. Would love to blow one off the road.

sonoronos Apr 22, 2008 07:07 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 

Originally Posted by ws6vert
The kids (ricers) around here have got there hands on them it seems. Everyone seems to have a fart can on it. Would love to blow one off the road.

Don't worry, they do that all on their own. :p

ws6vert Apr 22, 2008 07:36 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
Yeah, good one. I hope to get a shot at one eventually. They drive them with an attitude that needs to be spanked down.

InfernoRedXfire Apr 22, 2008 08:52 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
I thought I squashed a turtle in my big honkin' SUV the other day. Looked in my rear view mirror and it was a S2000. Oh well. :eek:

Maxwell Apr 22, 2008 09:21 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
no wonder they don't sell well, the local Honda dealerships wants $35k for a new s2000, what a friggin rip for a 4 cylinder sports car.

SRT6 Dan Apr 22, 2008 09:51 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 
Honda has what they call an small demand for this type of Flagship S2000 and even less for the NSX, they sold only about 2,000-3,000 a year ! Of course they were all hand assembled. I had a 1991 NSX and it was expensive in 91 almost $63K. A good used one is still $30k and up. They only made appx 3000 SRT6s and that's all folks !

sonoronos Apr 22, 2008 09:55 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 

Originally Posted by Maxwell
no wonder they don't sell well, the local Honda dealerships wants $35k for a new s2000, what a friggin rip for a 4 cylinder sports car.

The 2007's were on sale for $29k, but still, at that price, one has to really love the car to buy it.

The combination of 240hp and 2800lbs curb weight isn't bad, in fact it's nice. One also gets an LSD as well as traction control. $35k is too much. $29k is more reasonable.

To match the power to weight ratio of the S2000, the NA XF would need 40 more horsepower. That's not a lot.

A turbo spinning at 3psi boost would make that up. Upping the boost to 7 psi raises horsepower to 325 horsepower. Even counting in the added weight of the turbo, this would put the NA XF at a weight to hp ratio of 9.5, equivalent to a CLK550, Lotus Exige S, Porsche Carrera 4S, etc.

Of course, amusingly enough, it would still be less power than an SRT6 :p

ws6vert Apr 22, 2008 11:26 AM

Re: Think the XF didn't sell much? How about the S2000?
 

Originally Posted by Maxwell
no wonder they don't sell well, the local Honda dealerships wants $35k for a new s2000, what a friggin rip for a 4 cylinder sports car.

They are so dated for one thing.


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