TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
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Gas with ethanol has a shorter shelf life so you have to add Stabil or equivalent when storing your car. Ethanol does cause damage to your car no matter what they say and gas wth ethanol gets poorer gas mileage, dries out rubber, any water in it causes corrosion, if you had any water in your gas tank it will get absorbed by the ethanol.
I prefer my ethanol in single malts, beer or whatever.
I prefer my ethanol in single malts, beer or whatever.
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I am waiting for warmer weather and clear roads I will then data log 91 octane in the V8 vs 33% E-85/91 octane and post results. After I chatted with Jim the other night I did some research as well and lots of folks are doing this and I can't find a reason not to try it.
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I am waiting for warmer weather and clear roads I will then data log 91 octane in the V8 vs 33% E-85/91 octane and post results. After I chatted with Jim the other night I did some research as well and lots of folks are doing this and I can't find a reason not to try it.
Unsure if that hat is actually a problem or if the computer is seeing it lean because it’s expecting regular gasoline to be used.
any thoughts on this would be great!
Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
i will note that the other day I filled with the usual 3 gallons of e85 and 7 of 91 and after about 10 minuets of casual driving got a CEL for “System too lean” for both banks 1 and 2. I filled the rest up with 91 to even out the mixture. Reset the CEL and it didn’t come back.
Unsure if that hat is actually a problem or if the computer is seeing it lean because it’s expecting regular gasoline to be used.
any thoughts on this would be great!
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I don't understand what was going on because our engine requires high test being we in Florida have 93 ,and this is what i am using with the 3 gal of E 85,,, you used 91 octane and got a eng light doesn't make sense,,,,. just driving around easy maybe try 1 gal,,,, then try 2 ga,,,,l then back to 3 gal ! by adding the extra 91 , did you feel any change with power??
Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
don't know he has in his gas but.
all stations in Fl have a notice of ( up to 10% ethanol) some stations also have pumps that say NO ethanol.
the no ethanol price is about 50% more than the regular, but the octane is up,, Oh! E85 (85% ethanol) is 108 octane.
3 gal of e85 +7 gal 93 =97.5 octane or maybe 98.1,,,,counting the 10%
3 gal of e85 + 7 gal of 91 = 96.1,,, or maybe 96.5 counting the 10%
3gal of e85 + 7 gal 89 =94.7 or maybe 95 counting the 10%
maybe you can do your own math and put in the octane you want.
PS found out they reduce the octane in all gas and then add the 10% ethanol to bring it back up
all stations in Fl have a notice of ( up to 10% ethanol) some stations also have pumps that say NO ethanol.
the no ethanol price is about 50% more than the regular, but the octane is up,, Oh! E85 (85% ethanol) is 108 octane.
3 gal of e85 +7 gal 93 =97.5 octane or maybe 98.1,,,,counting the 10%
3 gal of e85 + 7 gal of 91 = 96.1,,, or maybe 96.5 counting the 10%
3gal of e85 + 7 gal 89 =94.7 or maybe 95 counting the 10%
maybe you can do your own math and put in the octane you want.
PS found out they reduce the octane in all gas and then add the 10% ethanol to bring it back up
Last edited by amx1397; 01-29-2019 at 08:31 AM.
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Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
don't know he has in his gas but.
all stations in Fl have a notice of ( up to 10% ethanol) some stations also have pumps that say NO ethanol.
the no ethanol price is about 50% more than the regular, but the octane is up,, Oh! E85 (85% ethanol) is 108 octane.
3 gal of e85 +7 gal 93 =97.5 octane or maybe 98.1,,,,counting the 10%
3 gal of e85 + 7 gal of 91 = 96.1,,, or maybe 96.5 counting the 10%
3gal of e85 + 7 gal 89 =94.7 or maybe 95 counting the 10%
maybe you can do your own math and put in the octane you want.
all stations in Fl have a notice of ( up to 10% ethanol) some stations also have pumps that say NO ethanol.
the no ethanol price is about 50% more than the regular, but the octane is up,, Oh! E85 (85% ethanol) is 108 octane.
3 gal of e85 +7 gal 93 =97.5 octane or maybe 98.1,,,,counting the 10%
3 gal of e85 + 7 gal of 91 = 96.1,,, or maybe 96.5 counting the 10%
3gal of e85 + 7 gal 89 =94.7 or maybe 95 counting the 10%
maybe you can do your own math and put in the octane you want.
If you wanted to save money on gas costs you should have purchased a smaller car with a smaller engine. Maybe you would be better of on the Prius forum. 😜 Surely the highest MPG can be got using 100% gasoline.
The more ethanol in the fuel the more damage can be done to components not designed for high ethanol blends.
What ratio of ethanol to gas is the most efficient for our cars? I for one prefer no ethanol, burning a fuel lower in latent power seems a waste of time to me.
Ethanol use is good for farmers income and bad for countries where corn is a staple in their diet, due to the higher prices.
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Some of what you say is misleading and could cause engine damage, you are not always right no matter what you think.
My previous post which you got mad at is based on facts not some wishful sense of power felt through the seat of your pants.
Ethanol contains less power than gas, sure the octane rating is higher but that means squat.
Give us the facts and nothing but the facts.
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[QUOTE=amx1397;918309]It seems when you are faced with facts you would rather start insulting someone than offer plausible rebuttals, you sound like someone in power somewhere south of us up here.
You may know more than the average bear but I can’t see it here. How can you get more power out of something with less latent power in it?
You seem to equate more power from higher octane ratings.
You may know more than the average bear but I can’t see it here. How can you get more power out of something with less latent power in it?
You seem to equate more power from higher octane ratings.
Last edited by onehundred80; 01-29-2019 at 05:57 PM.
Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
[QUOTE=onehundred80;918310]
100 again U R wrong my facts speak for themselves
E15 (15% ethanol, 85% gasoline) is a higher octane fuel available in 29 states at retail fueling stations. E15 was approved for use in model year 2001 and newer cars, light-duty trucks, medium-duty passenger vehicles (SUVs), and all flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 2012.
in 2018 Nebraska and some states close to it are, along with the fed gov. trying to get E 15 into all gas powered vehicles in their states,, supported by EPA and other gov. divisions
also E33 is being studied in 15 states for the 2001 and newer vehicles. the study just started in Jan 2019 so no answers there yet, but my test so far have shown positive results
It seems when you are faced with facts you would rather start insulting someone than offer plausible rebuttals, you sound like someone in power somewhere south of us up here.
You may know more than the average bear but I can’t see it here. How can you get more power out of something with less latent power in it?
You seem to equate more power from higher octane ratings.
You may know more than the average bear but I can’t see it here. How can you get more power out of something with less latent power in it?
You seem to equate more power from higher octane ratings.
E15 (15% ethanol, 85% gasoline) is a higher octane fuel available in 29 states at retail fueling stations. E15 was approved for use in model year 2001 and newer cars, light-duty trucks, medium-duty passenger vehicles (SUVs), and all flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 2012.
in 2018 Nebraska and some states close to it are, along with the fed gov. trying to get E 15 into all gas powered vehicles in their states,, supported by EPA and other gov. divisions
also E33 is being studied in 15 states for the 2001 and newer vehicles. the study just started in Jan 2019 so no answers there yet, but my test so far have shown positive results
Last edited by amx1397; 01-30-2019 at 03:28 PM.
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Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
[QUOTE=amx1397;918353]
100 again U R wrong my facts speak for themselves
E15 (15% ethanol, 85% gasoline) is a higher octane fuel available in 29 states at retail fueling stations. E15 was approved for use in model year 2001 and newer cars, light-duty trucks, medium-duty passenger vehicles (SUVs), and all flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 2012.
in 2018 Nebraska and some states close to it are, along with the fed gov. trying to get E 15 into all gas powered vehicles in their states,, supported by EPA and other gov. divisions
also E33 is being studied in 15 states for the 2001 and newer vehicles. the study just started in Jan 2019 so no answers there yet, but my test so far have shown positive results
I am amazed that you can put all this twaddle out and believe it is a rebuttal of all I have said. What you state is quite true but as I have said before octane has nothing to do with the power potential in a fuel.
100 again U R wrong my facts speak for themselves
E15 (15% ethanol, 85% gasoline) is a higher octane fuel available in 29 states at retail fueling stations. E15 was approved for use in model year 2001 and newer cars, light-duty trucks, medium-duty passenger vehicles (SUVs), and all flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs) by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 2012.
in 2018 Nebraska and some states close to it are, along with the fed gov. trying to get E 15 into all gas powered vehicles in their states,, supported by EPA and other gov. divisions
also E33 is being studied in 15 states for the 2001 and newer vehicles. the study just started in Jan 2019 so no answers there yet, but my test so far have shown positive results
I am amazed that you can put all this twaddle out and believe it is a rebuttal of all I have said. What you state is quite true but as I have said before octane has nothing to do with the power potential in a fuel.
Last edited by onehundred80; 01-30-2019 at 04:37 PM.
Re: TO OR NOT TO USE <<e-85
after using 1/3 E85 for 3 months , added to my fuel in two cars a 2002 mercedes c320 ( same engine as a limited crossfire and a 2016 ford fusion 2.0 turbo yes it gives you a little more power but it decreases your miles per gal. I do not recommend adding 1/3 E85 for everyday use,,,,,,,(unless your car is a flex fuel and you want more power).... I looked at the fuel injectors and pump and hoses all look good.. I will use it when i go to the track as a power booster
i will report back after i try it at the track jim
i will report back after i try it at the track jim
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