Troubleshooting & Technical Questions & Modifications Have technical or modification questions about the Crossfire? Find out the answer, or give advice in here!

ABS system and break bleeding

Thread Tools
 
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 09:04 AM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default ABS system and brake bleeding

If we want to bleed the ABS module we need a dealer who can do it. What we need is a smart guy who can solve the problem.
Surely to make the solenoids in the ABS work we just need to apply some electrical pulse to them? Take of the plug and apply the current to the correct terminals Would that work?
Most say bleed the longest brake line first, is that really true any more? Each of the four lines originate at the ABS pump there is no tee in the front or rear systems like the old days, each brake has its own circuit.
Changing the master cylinder carries the risk of getting air into the ABS pump.
Ideas?
 

Last edited by onehundred80; 07-14-2019 at 10:27 AM.
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 09:10 AM
ala_xfire's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lineville, AL
Age: 79
Posts: 12,783
Received 153 Likes on 141 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Gimme a BRAKE !!
Can't believe your thread is titled :
ABS system and break bleeding
 
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 09:15 AM
zip439's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SE Alabama
Age: 75
Posts: 1,806
Received 180 Likes on 150 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Take a look at the Launch Millennium 90 Pro. Next credit card period I hope to squeeze it in. Say it will bleed brakes.
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 10:34 AM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by ala_xfire
Gimme a BRAKE !!
Can't believe your thread is titled :
ABS system and break bleeding
I am getting sloppy, sorry. I spelt it correct elsewhere.
I added the word break at the last minute.

So any ideas?
 
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 10:36 AM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by zip439
Take a look at the Launch Millennium 90 Pro. Next credit card period I hope to squeeze it in. Say it will bleed brakes.
You need to see ‘bi-directional’ in the specs, also some work only on some models as I have found out. One of my readers says it does it but it does not. I complained to the maker and got no answer.
 

Last edited by onehundred80; 07-14-2019 at 10:39 AM.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 11:19 AM
James1549's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Cincinnati ( Delhi )
Posts: 10,367
Received 79 Likes on 63 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Spelt?
 
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 11:56 AM
GraphiteGhost's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Central South Carolina
Age: 69
Posts: 5,839
Received 369 Likes on 321 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by James1549
Spelt?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/spelt

.
 
The following users liked this post:
M60A3Driver (12-26-2023)
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 12:10 PM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by James1549
Spelt?
I guess it is where you come from. My Canadian English spell checker corrects the word spelled to spelt. We developed the language and you guys just messed it up.
Looking at what passes on this forum as English I do not do too bad, I do not use spelling based on the sound of the local accent.

Spelled vs. spelt



In American English, spelt primarily refers to the hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe, and the verb spell makes
spelled in the past tense and as a past participle. In all other main varieties of English, spelt and spelled both work as the past tense and past participle of spell, at least where spell means to form words letter by letter or (with out) to make clear. Outside the U.S., the two forms are interchangeable in these uses, and both are common.




No comments on the post except digs. What about some sensible remarks.

 
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 12:34 PM
ala_xfire's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lineville, AL
Age: 79
Posts: 12,783
Received 153 Likes on 141 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by onehundred80
I am getting sloppy, sorry. I spelt it correct elsewhere.
I added the word break at the last minute.

So any ideas?
No, still watching to see if anyone has an answer to this ABS bleeding other than wet grass, and who knows, maybe that IS the answer.
 
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 01:15 PM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by ala_xfire
No, still watching to see if anyone has an answer to this ABS bleeding other than wet grass, and who knows, maybe that IS the answer.
That seems to work but I think that if you could do it with the car stationary and the bleeders open you could get the air into the lines easier. The way I read the workings of the ABS pump the ABS motor builds up the pressure after the solenoids have released the pressure. Maybe we need to open each solenoid in turn and get the motor running thus expelling air from the motor into an open line.
The grass method may work but some air may just go back to where it came from.
 
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 03:20 PM
UrbanE's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: CA
Posts: 1,058
Received 140 Likes on 109 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Wow

180, you’re constantly providing assistance. Everyday you point a forum members to correct threads and provide backup docs and links for most topics.

You (180) ask for assistance, in that ask you inadvertently spell a word, correctly, one that sounds the same but has a different meaning (I believe it’s called a homonym) and you’re called out for an error. It’s a forum about cars, I think we all know the intent break vs brake. Let’s rise above being petty.

ladies and gentlemen in the country South of ours, we try to do things differently in Canada, Like take the high road.

Here are a few more for you. English in its original form. I know it will blow your minds

labour
neighbour
cheque


There is enough pettiness out there, we’re a group with a common interest. Let’s stick to our common obsession and not look for ways to pounce on one another.

180, as a fellow Canuck and from all Canucks on the forum we stand on guard for thee

🇨🇦

You rock
 
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 03:47 PM
ala_xfire's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lineville, AL
Age: 79
Posts: 12,783
Received 153 Likes on 141 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

I think we all know the intent break vs brake. Let’s rise above being petty.
UrbanE, what you don't seem to realize is that Dave and I have for years enjoyed catching the other in a faux-pas.
I was NOT being petty, I was merely adding a check mark to my side of the ledger
 
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 05:56 PM
UrbanE's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: CA
Posts: 1,058
Received 140 Likes on 109 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Ahhhh

my bad

you know the saying
“no one can hit my brother except me”


carry on
 
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 06:12 PM
ala_xfire's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lineville, AL
Age: 79
Posts: 12,783
Received 153 Likes on 141 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by UrbanE
Ahhhh

my bad

you know the saying
“no one can hit my brother except me”


carry on
No problem.

Your avatar is cleared to land runway 18, exit right taxiway Baker, contact ground 121.5.
 
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 08:11 PM
velociabstract's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 4,520
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 18 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

About braking on wet grass, you have to re-bleed afterwards to remove any air that was expelled from the ABS module. Just in case this was in doubt.

Les
 
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2019, 11:53 PM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by velociabstract
About braking on wet grass, you have to re-bleed afterwards to remove any air that was expelled from the ABS module. Just in case this was in doubt.

Les
That is what I understand, bleed first then slide around the local soccer pitch. Race home to avoid the police and bleed again. Repeat as necessary until the brakes are nice and firm or the cops catch you.
 
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2019, 01:28 AM
WD40's Avatar
Forum Regular
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Alabama
Age: 61
Posts: 752
Received 132 Likes on 104 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Can always go back to using mechanical brakes. As salesmen of behind-the-times-cars said in the 1920s, "Do you really trust a LIQUID to do your braking?"
Heck, on a 1973 MG Midget I owned the master-cylinder was not yet divided internally into two sections. I had to replace it once and when it gave out you really noticed!
 
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 07-16-2019, 08:07 AM
zip439's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SE Alabama
Age: 75
Posts: 1,806
Received 180 Likes on 150 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

Originally Posted by WD40
Can always go back to using mechanical brakes. As salesmen of behind-the-times-cars said in the 1920s, "Do you really trust a LIQUID to do your braking?"
Heck, on a 1973 MG Midget I owned the master-cylinder was not yet divided internally into two sections. I had to replace it once and when it gave out you really noticed!
I had a midget in the late '60s: I'd be changing out the clutch every 12 months and seems I could find every thunderstorm in the state by simply letting the top down. Hence I drive a Crossfire coupe.
 
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 08-28-2019, 01:24 PM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

This is a question for the electronic geniuses we have on the forum.
When the ABS is used what kind of signal does the unit get from the sensors? I was thinking of buying a spare ABS unit and seeing if I could trigger it to actuate the solenoids inside it so they pumped out the air in the ABS unit on the car. The connector to the ABS unit has a lot of pins on it and finding the correct pins may be a bit of a headache.
Obviously, the idea is to replicate the dealers DRBIII units function to bleed the ABS module.
Can it be done?
 
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 08-29-2019, 06:06 PM
onehundred80's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario
Age: 84
Posts: 25,364
Received 534 Likes on 451 Posts
Default Re: ABS system and break bleeding

I guess we have nobody who can answer this question, plenty of people who can spell though.
I give up.
 


Quick Reply: ABS system and break bleeding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:15 AM.