Would you WTB complete V8 Crossfire's...
 

I guess this is a feeler? Not sure, just curious how many would have interest in complete, V8 swapped crossfire's. Would anyone buy?

Unfortunately cost would be higher than SRT's, I can't change that. However a V8 is a bit more rare anyway. I could do 4.3's for cheap(ish), 5.0's, 5.4 NA's, 5.4K's.... In that order

The first one would probably be bare bones, maybe offer suspension and mods? Maybe pay to order kind of thing?

Thoughts?

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It's a very cool thing to do, but the cost would be hard to recover....

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That's the only reason it would be so expensive. It would reflect my "swap pricing" which is pricey (has to be, it's a lot of work). I think for a 5.0 V8 complete factory stock car, people would be looking at $20-25K based on mileage. I was already offered quite a bit more than that for mine, which is the reason for this topic, and he's not a member in the first place. I know I could sell them, I guess my question is, would anyone here want to buy one?

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Plus I think there could be a hell of a market for them here in California since I could offer factory LEGAL. California BAR stickered emissions compliant with registration to reflect the swap, legal.

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I'm sure the cost is justified based on the complexity and amount of work that needs to be done, and I know you're testing the market here. Nothing wrong with that. I just think it's a niche market. It's for those who track their cars. It's not for the regular driver as the service/repair requirements would be hard to find, and thus not practical. Good luck...

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A knish market, would that be a Jewish deli?
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...1&d=1392136543

You mean niche market. LOL

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It's all kosher

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LOL, corrected. Picked the wrong word in spell check when I clicked it, professor....;)

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It makes sense why you think that, but if that's what everyone is thinking, they are very ill-informed, and that's actually my fault.

Actually my build started as a means to get more power, but better reliability and efficiency. A TRUE GT. The rarity aspect struck me as well obviously. Finding parts is no harder. Every single part (on the outside of the motor) is a direct replacement of or with the V6 NA, and V8 NA's. There is no difference other than 2 more cylinders. I mean shoot, every single component on my V8 is from my old V6, that's why I'm parting that motor out, I can't sell it since everything is missing from it. Alternator, AC compressor, Water pump, tensioner, power steering pump, coils, spark plug wires, air pump, vacuum lines, vacuum diaphragms, egr, TB elbow, lower oil pan, oil pump, cam sensor, crank sensor, flywheel, clutch, various bolts etc etc...

Sure you have 4 more spark plugs to buy, but it holds the same exact amount of oil. Same type of oil. Same amount of coolant, and type. The slim mechanical fan is different. If I sold one though, it would come with a more reliable electric.

With the NA 6-speed V6, muffler, K&N's and seats only, I got 24 mpg in town, 32 ish on the highway. The V8 is returning 16 city( my right foot has a lot to do with this), but 32 as well on the highway. Emissions were cleaner, but no one care's about that lol.

My intention was street, and the car is my DD. It's no harder to drive slow, in fact it's almost easier. Starting in second gear and skip shifting, it doesn't bog down as much. Much more useable power.

There is no aspect that it's worse in, other than you can get horrible gas mileage easily, as well as kill yourself in the process. Hopefully now everyone understands a little better.

Lastly, if it helps, I have no valve cover leak. Which is weird because I have never even heard of a 320 that didn't have one at some point...

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Your explanation helps a lot....

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You know if I was just getting into crossfires .. and saw this.. one of those 4-5 grand 180,000 mile cars would be an option I'd have to take a look at. Can't say I'd consider it for one under 100k and purring, but this option might be a shining light as the miles rack up on our cars.

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I hope so. I know people would like it, I just can't think of how to bring the price down and still profit from my hassle, bs, and labor.

True, and actually that would be a pretty good idea for me to consider. Just buying an extremely high mileage one for cheap. That would knock price down a ton. If I could get the car for 4K I could re-sell it with a 50-60K mile 5.0L for around 16K. Still seems like a lot, but that's what Bob's sold for, and this one would be finished. Cruise control, key, start everytime lol, it just wouldn't have the eibach's, 55 cams, or be torque limited lol. He had what, 100K chassis miles??

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Josh, I love you man, but I need to be brutally honest here...

If you were offered much more than 20-25 for your car, you should take the money and run all the way to buying that E55, it is simply not worth that much in any sane person's eyes. You have a car that would get beat by a lightly modded SRT-6 for $10K more money. Rare, yes, valuable, maybe. After all, Bob, the first NA V8 had upgraded EVERYTHING on his car, C32 brakes, SRT front, fully adjustable suspension, wheels, etc and he got well under $20k and if I remember it was for sale for a while. Remember, you are talking about either buying a car or performing a major modification that can not be financed through typical sources.

I was offered a full SRT-6 swap retaining my manual trans for $10-12K turn key, I was also offered a 55K conversion around $20-25 turn key. There were many members here who were offered these conversions, and you see there are only a few in the world. You are talking about doubling the purchase price of the car for an NA V8, and I don't think many will bite. The ones that really want to do it, will do it themselves, they will still need you for ECU work, which is an invaluable service you are providing, and I thank you for it!

I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer, just don't want to see you quitting your day job to persue something you may only do a handful of times...

(don't hold it against me when you are pricing my future ECU work LOL :D)

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The pointsgiven by FP and Boiler up make perfect sense. But remember, we are talking about a car that doesn't make sense. The Crossie is already a narrow market that sorta fits to a genre of buyers that like weird stuff. The V/8conversion makes it weider.

As for resale, again guys who want this, would seldom consider resale as part ofthe equation. There aren'tmany who will throw that kinda money at a few years of street fun.

Yet your end product would be more sensible than the original factory NA with the V6.

I'm sure the V/8 is where the Crossie model mighthave gone had Chrylse/Diamler continued.

So, I guess what I am saying is this is a fairly empty rabbit hole. I would advise you chase it for fun, not profit, as well.

BTW s a stick guy, I have a great interest but no funds. I am sure I am not alone there.:rolleyes:
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why, not offer a kit? There are plenty of diy guys on here. Let us do the work and you supply parts and tech. A whole lot more money in answering questions with valuable knowledge.

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Well said John, I agree. I didn't and wont take the offer because this one's mine. Too much I've done to it, good and bad.

Regarding Bob's though, it's a poor example. Yes he modded it, but it didn't start by the key... His push button was 3-7 tries to start every single time.... Had the stock TCU so was torque limited at 290? going in?.... His cruise control didn't work, and it never would have worked with a manual... So I respect Bob, I really do. Him and Jim were my inspiration, but these would be full 100% factory turn key with the necessary adjustments for it.

Who in the hell were offering these!!??(pretty sure I know), Good thing you didn't take anyone up on it lol. I would have to be in IN finishing it for you right now lol.

Those are very close to my prices as well. If I'm dumping a motor in, that's obviously a lot cheaper since I don't need to go out and buy a car lol.

The difference between those that were offered before, and those I'm offering now... I proved the manual capability, and to date, me and JimmySkullz are the only two 100% factory rolling V8's. (The guy in Germany with a manual wont confirm). Other's with V8's said they were, but I mean 100%, not 99%. Cruise control was factory, and therefor counts lol.


I appreciate it John, I will be quitting my day job, just not yet. I'm already pulling more in monthly than I do working for the government lol. It will just take a year or two of sustaining before I take the leap of getting the business fully supporting my family.

There really is a ton I have to offer for the ECU work, it surprises even me lol. But I'm trying to expand. I want to invest in Dimsport so that I can tune, invest in a rolling dyno, and between those, my extremely talented welder/fabricator, and the ECU capability, I'm hoping to have a really stong business. I haven't even done much talking about it on the MB forum, the guy in Illinois saw my sig and saw a guy tell me how easy it was to copy info from ECU to ECU and my response to said guy lol.

And no worries man, no grudge here. I need the opinion's of others, I just need people to understand where i'm coming from, and how what I'm offering is different.

I really need to make it to a GTG, it would really help my case if I let people drive this beast..

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Agreed on all points Franc. The chase started originally as fun, now I want to make the transition of hobby to business and enjoy what I do for a living.


That's an idea. When I jump to the next motor I was already planning on selling the current V8 as a whole, crosssfire compatible with a coded ECU...

Now the only problem with the kit is the motor mileage, shipping all of it, and coming up with good enough instructions lol.

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^This!! Beat me to it! Most economical way to go. Lowest overhead, least investment and greater ability to turn out quantity with no extra R&D or wrench time required.

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agreed, this was the way to go.

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It seems like a good idea.

- ECU work - 1500
- Exhaust manifold work - 500
- (NA V8) Motor and parts - 3K ish
- Misc (pallet, strapping) - 200
- Labor (Instructions, fab work to put it all together, wiring, shipping ready) - 1000 ish maybe

Given that the motor will most likely have issues when I buy (ex. missing coils, cracked vacuum lines from sitting in the sun etc) I could probably do $6K which would break the work and parts down a little.

I could even do a rental with deposit type deal with DAS. Have one or two as spares, you pay me for it and I return the money when you return DAS...

How would this sound for people?