yeah marc i'd be gettin gthe invoice price for sure... i'm really hesitant about getting a black, although i'd probably rather get the black then blue... i guess i'll have to see what my dealer says as far as the prices go... some people say some of the bugs might be worked out for the '05 models as well... my main reason is that a lot of the dealers around here sold A LOT of crossfires over the past month... either way i'll be happy... long as it's a crossfire