DanielNTX thanks for the reply and you maybe right if it's not a good brand name then money not well spent so I think its going to be plan B a JVC KD-PDR50 has all the right stuff I think, in a past post the pre-outs should be at 4 volts if possible this JVC is 2.5v x2 will this new head unit really be a good upgrade with all my stock speakers?