I explained this on the thread I started "Ansa Muffler arrived today". I paid almost nothing, but this is not repeatable. I got a deal because I was very familiar with Ansa Sport systems and was willing to be the first guinea pig. I also show the car frequently which is a plus for Ansa. www.ansaautomotive.com has a toll free number. Just ask for Gwen and she will give you a very good deal.