I don't know if its just my car or my lack of experience with rear wheel drive cars, but if from a stop i try making a somewhat quick turn with my car totaly loses it when TC is off. The first time i did it I was trying to beat a red light. I ended up going sideways through the turn (it straight out a drifting video type stuff here, im sure it must have looked cool, but i was like wtf). This last time, the rear end totaly lost it and I start fish tailing furiously so I try backing off the gas, but it seems once the darn thing starts spinning its in drop the hammer mode and won't stop sending crazy power to the wheels even if I let off and try easing into the gas again. I ended up doing a friggin donut in the middle of the road, LOL. My daily driver is a Corolla so maybe my foot is too use front wheel drives with 0 torque.