ive been playing GT4 for a couple of years. have a logitec G25 wheel mounted on an EXTREME frame and a game chair. its still my favorite game espesially nurenburg in the crossfire fullyloaded. can run the monster(nurenburg)in 8.5 minutes. have a 360 and forza too.the cars feel more realistic in the balance of various cars than GT but the wheel for the Xbox doesn't fight you as hard as the G25. but you can feel the tires breaking lose better. i like GT's tracks better than all the stupid snake tracks in FORZA but the monster feels more realistic in FORZA(crossfire time on the monster in FORZA is quite a bit slower but alot more fun. the game of chioce around here right now is ACE COMMBAT 6 with cockpite throttle and stick!!! now thats a ride!!!!!