*sigh* well I decided to check back after a few weeks and the thread is still smoldering on. Cheebs is right, no one will change anyone's mind on a thread like this (I learned this the hard way :? ) Lets just vote for who we want and get back to the Crossfire. Everyone has their "values" or lack thereof and its obvious that this isn't the place to change anyone's mind on anything political, religous, or controversial. Shall we get back to the car, everyone?

Danwell