when you say "old turbo dodge" what are you referring too... srt-4, or are you throwing it way back to the early 90's dodge caravan that had the 2.4 turbo I-4? and yes that caravan did come with a manual... though I don't think it was called a caravan back then? haha either way... my view.. two SRT's are better than one.. even if one is considered "old" haha.