i like how tvt spits the truth at least, guys i have a 04 z it is 6spd. and just intake and exhaust, basically stock and it is much much faster than my crossfire. I just ran it at the track with shitty tires pulled 2.1 60ft times and ran consistent 13.7, and 13.8 times at 102(first time ever taking it to the track). Once i get some good tires i will pull mid 13's basically stock, how can that even be compared. I guess the only way it would be close would be if the z driver has never driven standard in his life or somthing, either way they don't even compare car wise the z is much better put together, don't get me wrong my crossfire was a nice looking car, but any way you compare the two it is an uneven match the z outperforms the crossfire in any way you try to compare them. And let me tell you what fun is with the ability to turn the damn trac. control off ..I like the crossfire and all but don't go thinking it is faster than a z in any way, now this is not to the srt-6 guys those cars do move, but i will run one all day, lol. can't wait for the twin turbos to get put on over winter along with my hoosier slicks i just picked up on weldlight 15" wheels. 11's on the way