yes i do mean like this, what is that supposed to mean?, like i said only real power adder for n/a crossfire, and just broke 13's. without the spray and all the bolt ons, what was it 14.8. my point exactly, so i don't know what that was supposed to mean by your comment. Cause it proved my point that with nitrous and all the bolt on's it will just keep up with stock z's.