I month ago i was trying to but some 17"rims with used DR's on them as i was inquiring and trying to buy them on the advertized price,, the price went up, so beleave it or not ,I got the same rims new (except Chrome not painted) and the same tires new.. the rims are discontinued Voxx Misano 17 X 9 and the DR's are Nitto 275-40-17 my total cost was $683.00 what do you think ? jim