Exactly. They miss the mark in regards to our taste. At least they continue to pursue moding cars that they can afford and to their taste. Is the "ricer" culture stronger than the street muscle, that could be argue. It is most likely easier to get an older Mitsu, Honda, Toyoata and throw some go fast goodies and body mods than it is to get American muscle and mod. Laws of economics. I think we are winning most members of this board are winning with the Crossfire even at 215 hp, the looks are just a bit more desirable ;-).