yep, frustration can do that, but we better all stick together with this car, because we are it...there are no more, and with numbers and armed with the right info, Chrysler will have to pony up, they don't need added law suits to their already bad situation. I agree Ap would be a grt help on the welding issue, but a broken weld would produce noise, which he would mention, I believe a sprung unibody, or twisted chassis set up would cause those problems. But my vert is very solid, which is why I like it. I screwed up and lost it one day playing around, because I had the TC off, as you know TC will over-ride even when off sometimes. It did, I wasn't ready, had to turn into the spin and bring her all the way around and recover. Thankfully I had the room, and on we went, what G's and what strain on the chassis...car was flawless, and thankfully it was on the old tires, which I replaced...this car is solid, so he does have issues....