well, glad you guys calmed down a bit, because there are a lot us who pay attn to what you are doing to learn...I now realize I had better work with someone to learn to data log what is going on with my car. I now can only test and tune at the track, since my vert has been banned "without a cage" from real racing. So I don't want to spend anymore than it takes to get the most out of her. So, I learn from each of you, without having to test myself...there are at least 5 of you guys I really pay attn to...so even though I get short-tempered with some people on here, hopefully you guys will keep working together...mani mod is next for me...so how do I data log and which instrument? I will be in the search feature for awhile...so you guys get along...LOL