yeah, Franc, and spotsbimmer, I was the one that brought up the politics part of the forum. I love that part. I like to be engaged with different way of thinking, really, only a few times even there would I want to wrassle with a brother- If you don't want to be engaged in that part of the forum, then don't read it. Even though we won't agree, the thing we all have in common is the love for the Cross, so I agree with someone else here who said we're all like family and are allowed to do that. On the car side of the forum, most everybody has been really helpful when another has a problem with the cars. I think it's cool.