OK guys, here is what I found in Canada. On ice the Continentals are suprisingly good. On 2 to 5 inches of snow with ice underneath. Not great! I have the 6 speed and in snow, you really need to turn off the TCS as the system thinks I am just loosing traction when I can't get it to move. Turned off the wheels spin but it does move. I try not to look for any long trips until the plows move thru. After that, I am as happy as a clam. biggerntexas, can I swap your rain for some snow?