Like I said, its not the money....its not communicating to us what happened...do business with whomever you want, but when I invest, in whatever, I want to know what is happening...maybe some of you, at least 5 want to make them work, good for you, glad you have the resources to do that. I don't have any interest in doing that. My interest is putting Dan out of business, but to do that, everything has to be on the table. So I am moving forward. Fraud is a crime, when done on the internet, for everyone to see and witnessed by everyone reading this thread according to Jonny's post, something needs to be done. If JRI is pursuing this, I will wait, if not, I have moved forward with a complaint already, but I will do more if need be. BHays is aware of what my approach is. JRI was cheated, that is certain, but so was I, now if some of you don't feel cheated, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, just don't speak for me, or make comments that world will end if we don't get our money back. Fraud is fraud, and this old semi-retired cop isn't going to let go of it. And, Dan, if you are reading this...my 30 yrs tells me, you stepped in it this time pal....