Thread: Unanswered prayers, or unintended blessings?
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Unanswered prayers, or unintended blessings?
Originally Posted by Kurts
Scientists?! What men of science had a hand in writing this book?
The Ten Commandments - there aren't actually ten of them, it all depends on just which list you refer to: Exodus 20 or 34 or Deuteronomy 5; & then really only 3 have any significance to the human condition, the rest are just endless repeats of why this god is better than their god & why this god needs this, that & the other.
I would claim that the 3 Commandments that make any sense: murder, theft & adultery, apply without the remaining nonsense.

Kurts,

Just to inform you of a little bible history, and I am not sure of your bible knowledge or history but with over 30 years in the bible and a strong opinion as yourself I agree with you that this is a no win discussion.

However let me clarify a little for you, Moses who is the author of the first 5 books of the 66 book bible (as an example), was a scientist amongst other things. As one raised in the courts of Egypt as a prince he was educated deeply in the sciences with the best education of that time. He would have been one well acquainted with the higher sciences. But regardless I won’t belabor the issue because it is apparent that you and I have different positions.

I don’t want you to accept my position just respect that someone does not agree with yours. In the end if it is about you vs. me we will waste time arguing indefinitely. (Now there’s a definition of infinity )

One last note on the commandments, there are only ten and then again there are really only 2 but that’s another discussion for infinity. But for clarification Ex 34 is not the 10 commandments but rather some of the mosaic laws guiding the people at that time in their conditions and circumstances using the principles of the 10. Note that Ex 34 denotes the 10 commandments in verse 28, and in chapter 31 vs. 18 makes it clear that they were written with the very finger of God. So obviously these are not something that someone that does not believe in God would ascribe to so I am not sure if you would agree with them anyway. And as you stated “I would claim that the 3 Commandments that make any sense: murder, theft & adultery, apply without the remaining nonsense.” It really isn’t about you or my claims as these are not what we deem good bad or indifferent, we didn’t write them.

As it is with religion and Politics these discussions get kind of personal and I have no intention or desire to make these attacks. I will bow out gracefully and say that we can agree to disagree. I have had an opportunity to meet and know people from my travels around the world with all religious persuasions and respect each person in their experience. Yes my beliefs are a key part of who I am, and feel that this is true for probably most of us. But to dialogue on these issues is always informative, and at the end of the day it is really important that we genuinely love each others as we love ourselves and treat each other with respect. If we can do this more in life because it really makes life in a sometimes sad world just that much better!

Email and forums do these types of discussions such a disservice because much is lost in translation and the dialogue is constrained. The main difference between my position and possibly many others is where my Love really comes from (God the source of Love), and when you have seen how God has changed your life and others you are quickly amazed that no amount of working on yourself to be a better person could have achieved it. As humans our love is really tainted with selfish desires and goals (look at how quickly we find love and get divorced as an example). Note we all can take phrases or contents from the bible or any book to form our opinions or agendas in life, and misquote passages to make the fit into our little package but at the end of the day, the whole body of work speaks for itself and makes it pretty clear of God’s love for His creation. What a gift!

Respectfully

Nate
 
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