Thanks, everyone for your help. Doc: those were the rims that Erzer help me get so I could use my stock rims on the race car. They are less than 6 months old and they sure are pretty. The back rim was bent and the front is now trashed, so I think I will take all your advice and buy two new ones. My god, the expense never ends. And to think I want to buy another one. I must be crazy. Yep, I am.