Originally Posted by xfuego

Well, let's see. No, I don't deal with a lot of 'deviates', or deviants. I have spent a great deal of time with teenagers of all types. And I stand by my assessment. Teens learn responsibility by being made to be responsible. Giving them things, especially something as important, as dangerous and as significant as an automobile, doesn't do that. They have to have a stake in it. The more extravagant the car is that Daddy gives a kid, the bigger the signal that Daddy is going to take care of things and there's less need to act responsibly. Of course, there's always an exception to the rule. But you can't go wrong applying the principal to all. Good kids need to learn, or reinforce, responsibility as well.

The "***** in Church" analogy apparently went over your head, so I'll explain. It's not about who needs GOD, it's about those who's values, opinions, etc... the flagrantly contradict the environment and / or the people they came to be with. A better analogy would be a Black Panther at a Klan rally I suppose.