if u ask them what there bottom price is they will lie to you. best thing to do is take a couple of friends or family and put the pressure on them. you might even have to walk away from it to get your point through. i bought my 04 limited in february with 39k miles and they where asking 14k for it and i hassled for about 3 hours with them and they told me the bottom line price was 13k or they would take a loss on it. well i walked away and got a phone call the next day and payed 11,900 before taxes for it with brand new tires all around the car. if i can do it i know you can do. but if you can't keep looking there will be plenty around at the right price