You guys are great. This forum makes me feel like I'm at home with my family having lengthy discussions that go nowhere fast.

Viper2ko - I definitely have hard water and I've used the Mr. Clean system. It which works wonderfully except that the filter fills up after only one washing when using water from my well due to impurities in the water. In case you go to your local auto wash - don't use the brush type or it will obviously scratch your paint.