Originally Posted by +fireamx
Are you a Lawyer? You have an innate ability to turn things around to suit yourself. Oh that's right, You are a "used car" salesman, I forgot.lol
In 1970, they couldn't GIVE Superbirds away. You remember 1970, WHEN YOU WERE 7 years old.
Nobody wanted to be seen driving around in a heavy, nearly 20' long Road Runner with a goofy looking wing on the back, no matter how many Nascar Races it won. But now, it's the "Darling" of the Auction block.
As for the AMX, it didn't matter that their Hurst SS cars were mopping up the Drag Strips around the country with the smallest V8 engine, and nobody paid any attention to Breedlove's Record runs either. The car was still a RAMBLER, and that fact alone made it the Joke of the Drive-in crowd.
But now, an AMX, especially one painted in the Big Bad Colors (even though nobody wanted to be seen driving an AMC back then, especially if it glowed in the dark) now commands the highest prices.
That's the point I was making, and you know it.
Look, you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I'm going by what I've seen happen over the years, it's an automotive trend that I think will continue. You don't.
But with over 76k examples of the Crossfire built, it's not going to stay a secret forever, and the more people that stumble upon the car, or activly seek it out for what ever reason, it will only become more desirable as time goes by.
Most everybody "here" gets sucked in by this car, why should it be any different with future enthusiasts?
Actually, I owned three tire stores and sell cars as a side business, so I can have a dealer's license---no sales tax on my cars, all parts are tax deductible, and dealer insurance; PLUS I make a little money on what I drive with ZERO deprecation cost---I think it's a great deal---my degrees are in Accounting---numbers guy. As for law school--no, but many have told me I should have gone, due to my logic---even my own lawyers. As for remembering 1970, I sure do---my whole family were car nuts---the reason, I guess for the repair business. That's about the time I really started getting into cars---6 or 7 years old.
What I do not get though is why you insult a perfectly good business and me with a stereotype or for that matter my age---I'm 47 not that far in front of you---What? Were you a car expert in 1970 at 19? If so, why did you put down Infinite a couple of post ago for his age which is about the same that you were in 1970? Oh My---there is my logic putting pieces together again---Sorry, just an innate ability that I seem to have.
Your point that you were making proves mine---so I do know what you were making. Not "ALL" collectible cars have to sell well---it helps to have a demand at the start: most have it---I stated that and you pointed that out. I ALSO stated like Vegaslegal, who is a lawyer, that there must be a "WOW factor"---both of your examples have that PLUS very low production DUE to the poor sales. That WOW factor is their racing history. If the Superbird did not win like it did and have that history with less than 2000 made, I doubt anyone would know the name today like they do---definitely not the "darling". But give me a car that won BIG with one of the best drivers ever, and we have a winner. Same with the AMX---I had a slot car set with the red, white, and blue Breedlove's livery---106 records help collectivity, maybe not sales then, but now.
But what we have is a "deal" car. A good looking car, but with 76k made not that rare, but with no demand at the first sale to carry over to the second, we have a hard road to collectivity. We lack a HEMI and a racing history like the Superbird. Our car is in the middle of the road, so to say. More like the Fiero GT example than a Superbird that was built for racing. Or maybe the X1/9---cool car design by Bertone, but never made collectivity. Or the TR7---"the shape of things to come" which was right, but not a collectors car. Or maybe a DeLorean---cool body and could use a little more power like ours, but not a big collector 30 years later. Yes all that I listed have clubs and followings, but not the big bucks like the Superbird or even the AMX, and all are over or pushing 30+ years.
Unlike cars of the past, the cars of today will cost way more to restore. The electronics like sensors will just add to what is already too costly for most. So without a history of racing or some other draw, we will have just a pretty face---a very pretty face. My SRT will have a better chance, but with even more costly parts---it will be hard to impossible to find someone in 20 to 30 years to due a full restoration. Like Vegaslegal, I have restored cars and do not see the cost being worth it---must like his Jensen Healey. I will say that I hope so, but I have never seen the trend that will bring big dollars like your examples. I think my examples are more like the trend the Crossfire will follow.
As for being sucked into this car, I am. Like I said I have bought 6 and sold 5---love them. But in 20- 30 years or more and the big dollars needed, other cars would come first, and I think most will say the same.