Good Job pkms18, this guy really doesn't have a clue. There is even a guy on the Crossfire for sale forum saying he can buy 2 Crossfires for 45000. People just don't know what they are talking about for the most part. A brand new automatic Crossfire has around $2000 worth of markup built in it. Give or take a few for advertising differences. And yes there is the almight holdback from the manufacturer. A whole 3% WOw, on a $20000 dollar vehicle that's a wopping $600. That's nothinig considering the overhead and expense when it comes to running a dealership. Let's see this guy try to get the internet to service his vehicle when it's broke down. Maybe his mouse on his computer can change the oil for him. Or, maybe his hard drive can put a new serpentine belt on for him.