Originally Posted by jasontodt
Good Job pkms18, this guy really doesn't have a clue. There is even a guy on the Crossfire for sale forum saying he can buy 2 Crossfires for 45000. People just don't know what they are talking about for the most part. A brand new automatic Crossfire has around $2000 worth of markup built in it. Give or take a few for advertising differences. And yes there is the almight holdback from the manufacturer. A whole 3% WOw, on a $20000 dollar vehicle that's a wopping $600. That's nothinig considering the overhead and expense when it comes to running a dealership. Let's see this guy try to get the internet to service his vehicle when it's broke down. Maybe his mouse on his computer can change the oil for him. Or, maybe his hard drive can put a new serpentine belt on for him.
I don't have a clue? I've read books on car buying and have seen, in person, every ploy, half-truth, blatant lie, and tactic that I've read about.
I know there are honest salesman out there. I've met several. Unfortunately, given my experience, they are a minority. If I went to a dealer and was not fed a line of crap or played like a pigeon with stereotypical tactics, I'd probably be impressed and pay a good deal more for sincerity, trust, and integrity of the dealer...
I don't know what I am talking about? There's no 3% manufacturer's holdback on the Crossfire like you mention. It's a goose egg, zero. Do
your homework.
"That's nothing considering the overhead and expense when it comes to running a dealership"... You must have missed my comment about the 5 million dollar building... Overhead is what a dealer makes it. It can be as bloated or lean as they choose. I'll buy from a dealer that constantly tries to get his customers the best deal by reducing his own costs. I am the Lead Engineer for a $60 million dollar product line. I know something of overhead and what people will pay for it...
"Let's see this guy try to get the internet to service his vehicle when it's broke down"... You must have missed my comment about the poor service and constant battling I need to do to get my dealer(s) to do what was promised at the time of sale. I'd sure like -not- to have to make a scene to get some warranty honored on a near new car. I have paint peeling from around my rear spoiler right now. They said it was normal for this car. They are all like that. Translation: It's not bad now, but let's wait until your paint warranty runs out before you have it fixed. I will win on this one, but It'll take me and the general manager and a loud scene to get it fixed.
"Koltzy - One last thing to ask you. When you go into Walmart to do your food shopping, do you ask for a discount ?"... Gordon looks like you missed my comment about Saturn. If all dealers gave the same
low price, it would -be- WalMart and I would be fine paying what everyone else pays.