Apparently it has to be in the NADA guide and because Shell Valley is not a listed manufacturer they can't put a legit value on the car so NASA Credit Union won't do the loan even though I qualify. The dealer finance guy told me he would get busy on it Monday morning. There are other options for financing its just whether they can get the payment where I want it. Other than that the deal is done. They will have to do something if they want to sell the car unless someone has cash or a home equity loan. I'll still be at Burtonsville and Laytonsville even if I'm not driving my Crossfire. Hanging out with car people is the most fun I have had in years, I don't intend on stopping just because I change cars. I hope to see you this spring, we may get together after Chrsitmas, I'll let you know.