[quote=green-ghost]DISCLAIMER: Those who get annoyed at discussions about God might not care to read this....pity though

Anyways.
He had all the toys and things but perhaps truely couldnt fill that God shaped hole in his heart. Christ gives hope to the hopeless in hopeless situations, and all areas of life.

G/G, You are so on it. God saved my butt and I've seen miracles in others. The seeds of 12 step programs was an observation that those who had spiritual experiences seemed to be the ones that kicked their booze addiction. I pray in Christ's name but I'm open to others beliefs. I really like the higher power concept in AA, keeps it non dogmatic.