I know for a fact that the N/A Crossfire bone stock can beat a stock Civic Si and an RX-8 (if the guy driving can't shift right). The RX-8 is about the closest performance wise to our Crossfire's. Yes we are getting left behind but don't worry about those Altima's. Our cars have amazing low end torque and I think our cars could beat an Altima from a dead stop. Yeah we might not have much modding potential but if your worried about getting left in the dust then a little spray can go a long way with our cars. Myself I'm not worried about horsepower all that much. To me my car is a cruiser that catches the eye of many and to me that is better than any horsepower. If I was worried about horsepower then I would be driving one of those new 5.0 Mustang GT's.