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Old May 12, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Default Re: Why was this car a failure?

Originally Posted by AllEuro
You know, I've heard lots of complaints about the s2000 steering being rather vague. Just a couple of threads on this topic that took me about 3 seconds to find: How to improve steering feel? - S2000 Club of America Forums and Any way to fix S2000 Steering Feel??? - MX-5 Miata Forum and
Honda S2000

It;s true that the s2k is thought of as a very precise instrument, but it's also well documented that if there's a weak link for many people, it's the steering.
I've been a forum member at S2Ki for over three years and yeah, some people complain about the steering in the S2000 but many of those are idiots repeating crap they've heard but don't really understand. Two things the numb nuts would always bring up would be the electrically assisted steering and the drive by wire throttle.

Because Honda chose to use electric rather than hydraulic assist, there was a crowd who whined about it lacking "feel". Sorry but I drove the car every day for three years. It felt just fine. I personally think people were reaching for excuses and blaming the electric assist. I don't think hydraulic vs electric assist really has much to do with the steering feel of the car.

When Honda switched to drive by wire and a programmable ECU with the AP2 redesign in 2004, all of the AP1 owners were quick to defend their older cars by pronouncing the "feel" of the newer system "inferior". Well, the guy who got me to buy an S2000 drives a 2002/AP1. We've swapped cars several times. Neither he nor I can detect any difference in throttle response or that intangible "feel".

If someone can't put an S2000 on the money 99.99% of the time, I'd look first at the driver before blaming the car.

And oh yeah, I've been neglecting my favorite lament from the S2Ki forum. The ages old complaint "the rear end is twitchy". Or, "the car spins out for no reason". Or, "it takes a seasoned driver to handle this car". What crap! It takes a driver who's not an idiot! The car is incredibly well balanced and stable. You can steer with the wheel, throttle on oversteer, or trailing throttle oversteer. The back end breaks traction very predictably and is very easy to control as long as you haven't violated the rules of physics.

So, I don't give much credibility to the general population of internet forum opinions when I have direct experience with the car in question.

As for cars owned, I haven't owned exotics but I've owned a Mustang, Merkur XR4Ti, two Alfa's, Supra, two Vettes, 05 GTO, Infiniti G35, S2000, and now SRT-6 along with a gaggle of family haulers and sedans. IMHO the worst of the lot were the Vette's (87 & 02). I don't think I'll ever buy another one. I don't like the seating position / visibility and at the limit handling was horrible, especially in the wet. Not a great experience other than the power to weight ratio.
 

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