I'm sure he does boiler, and there are two communitiesthat I'm speaking of, the ones in e-land and the one in real land. And of course while you may prefer discussing these topics vis a vis, there are others who like to do it that way and via keyboard. That james sees community as a result of going to lots and lots of XF events, doesn't detract from my personal sense of community, nor does it say that my "community" is less than his. All we were disussing is that james prefers a car forum that generally only speaks cars, while I prefer, and I'm going to imply others do too, based on experience, a forum that encompasses other area of interests that have in common the car as it's base. And it was obvious that he generally believes to be any political talk on this forum area to be crap. That's fine, I don't. And that's why I also agreed with him, besides his other points that this particular thread should be moved. I didn't place it here, it was probably more or less of a mistake, and therefore no harm was intended.

to be sure, james has contributed really good car stuff, as you have too, and most of the folks have, great forum, great people, superb knowledge, and we all love the cars, except maybe the one who owned Christine, LOL! That's all.