while certainly a topic of real interesting ideas to some people, certainly not everybody, and by the responses only about 4 are even interested enough to discuss this pressing issue of our times, can anybody tell me why this crap is on a car forum? remember all, this is a car forum, and the topics of course that only a few are really interested in should be probably best left to PM's at best, or better yet left off of completely. Ring a bell Grip Grip?