Re: Turbo Project about to begin but decision needed
MrMoPar,
Thank you for taking the effort to provide all that info. what you came up with is similar to what I came up with, with the help of Max Hughes:
M113 Turbo Parts List PRICE S&H
Masterpower t70 turbo w/.68 A/R housing $600.00 $15.25
Turbo Werx Oil Scavenge Pump $349 $19.49
OBX 38mm Deltagate Evo Wastegate $129.00 $13.00
t4 turbo flange $16.00 $7.50
(-3) AN oil feed flange $15.99 $4.01
(-10) AN oil drain flange $12.00 $5.99
5' 3/16", 7/32" or 1/4" vacuum line $10.00
Generic RFL BOV or SSQV $40.00 $10.00
CX racing 28" intercooler and pipe kit $128.99 $30.00
90 degree 2.5-2.25" coupler $24.99 $0.00
90 degree 3.25-2.5" coupler $19.99 $6.08
18' 3 AN oil line $34.95 $36.03
18' 10 AN oil line $99.82 $5.99
3/8-10 AN fittings (3) $18.00 $0.00
10 AN swivel end (2) $16.00 $0.00
10 AN 90 degree swivel end (2) $34.00 $6.00
3" 4 bolt flange $15.99 $7.50
2.25" chargepipe 16' $40.00
aluminum welding, BOV, IC pipe $60.00
aluminiezd steel welding, turbo mounting, downpipes, wastegate mount, dumppipes (open) $220.00
3 AN 90 degree swivel (2) $22.40 $4.50
3 AN to 12mmx1.5 adapter $17.99 $7.06
1.5" pipe $20.00
bosch 440cc injectors $300.00 $7.70
AEM F/IC-8 $529.00 $15.00
SUBTOTALS $2,774.11 $201.10
TOTAL $2,975.21
The list above was created before getting involved with Brandon at Kleeman and then introduced to his good friend Corky Bell.
We are basing the tuning on proven Kleeman results using systems pioneered by Corky. If you look at my list and remove the AEM F/IC-8 the parts list is about $2,500. also some of the parts I listed are not as good as parts Corky makes himself. Another area where there can be savings is on the turbo. Corky's mainstay turbo has always been Garrett, but he also has an Asian supplier, that cuts costs down considerably. I was at first shocked and questioned him on this. His response was: before he ever sold one he fully tested one and at 20K miles tore it apart, took measurements and poked dents in everything checking hardness. He found absolutely nothing to be concerned with and and it was in perfect shape. He has since sold just under 300 of these turbos and has had 2 failures. He went on to say that he has the same failure rate with Garrett. Corky makes more parts than he sources including his own intercoolers. According to Kleeman we can run 7lbs easy and probably a bit more like 8-9lbs on our 10:1 engine without getting into the ECU to try to pull timing. Most of the Kleeman kits are put on 11:1 n/a AMG 55 engines and they operate great on 6.5 - 7lbs of boost without needing meth/water injection, or tuning. and that is on a supercharger with higher heat and a lot more parisitic loss. 8psi should put the n/a car into SRT territory. The turbo also has many advantages. Just look how easy it is to change boost on a turbo compared to the SRT set up! I understand where a lot of questions begged to be asked. I have asked Corky just about anything you can all think of. I am now at the point of just trusting him and answer his questions that are Crossfire specific. Corky really is a great guy, but be warned a simple question will get you a VERY detailed response and you will feel like you are talking to Einstein. A lot of what he says is over most people's and my head.
On an off subject note. I was talking today to Corky and he told me he owns two Mercedes. One is a 1951 170S. He said instead of restoring it he thinks he will turn it into a Street Rod! He asked me if I have ever seen a Mercedes Street Rod? No I haven't. One of his considerations is putting the Crossfire/MB V6 drive line into it. Sound like our type of guy!