I'm a GT5 guy as well, but I may have to pick up an X-box for Forza 4.

Last night's time trial update on GT5 put me into rage mode...

Must run a 1:14.000 on Eiger Nordwand short course, using a 295HP cap and a minimum weight of 1,200 kg, on sports medium tires. Must be a European car.

I tried everything from a Mercedes 190 Evolution to an Audi TT to a Renault Clio mid-engine car, and all of them understeer too much for the technical section. Best time I could pull last night was a 1:14.350

My Alabaster '04 Crossfire is tuned to match my current car: no weight reduction, 260~ish hp, summer rubber (sports medium) and a performance suspension. My best time on the same track is a 1:13:995

But, on GT5, the Crossfire doesn't count as a Euro.

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