AL. Everybody on this Forum is going to start thinking I work for EBAY, because I'm always telling people to shop there. But honestly I don't. It may take a little while, but if you're diligent, I'm sure that you will be able to find one of those "unbelievable" deals that you are looking for. Yes, even on a brand new one. Dealers have to make monthly payments to the bank on every car they have on their lot. It's called "floor planning". The longer the car sits, the less profit they're going to make on that car. After a while it gets to the point where the dealer decides to cut their losses and let the car go, just to get out from under it. It's no big secret, it's just business. That's when someone can get a really good deal. It used to be that most of the time dealers just took the cars to "dealer" auctions to unload them, but now thanks to the internet, they can reach a much larger audience, thus a better chance of receiving a higher bid on their cars. Still, alot of times the cars sell at even below "wholesale" prices. Keep watching EBAY and I'm sure you'll see what I'm telling you is true...Mike