it's not dying....we have new owners on here just about everyday...and we have had just as many leave because they sold their cars.... It just 'turn over" and no I wasn't talking about John either...as far as the poitical threads, who cares... other than a few die hard car owners, the trouble makers, or whatever you would like to refer them as, didn't contribute one damn thing to the "car" forum....let them rest in peace.... and yes, I am a grouchy ole' man and enjoy it...