Old May 17, 2013 | 05:56 PM
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Default Re: Now wouldn't this be nice with a blower on it...3.7L...UK LHD

Hopefully I'm not telling anyone to suck eggs here....

Ok....So I've been looking at whether the IHI blower would do 'da bidness in regards to pumping up a 3.7L M112 E37 such as you'd find in this SLK350.....or as I've covered already - the ML350 circa 2003-5 dropped into an SRT-6 or SLK32...or even a C32 for that mater.

Well - many thanks to Boostmonkey and Grip Grip for their data, so I had to look at the capacity of our current IHI blower. If you've read the previous posts, a Kleemann was added to the one in Taiwan. But I wanted to look at a simply "block swap" of the E37 with the E32.

Well....I'm pretty happy with the changes/improvements I've made to my model as a result of Boostmonkeys posted data here;
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...k-pulleys.html

As a result of this work I know the volume output of the IHI is around 1.6L/rev at 13-15,000rpm. I also mentioned the principal at work here....(no boasting intended) - the SC pumps so much air in ....the cylinders have to take it away...if they cant, the pressure increases in the plenum until they can. Simple?...hope so.

Just a note on engine capacity. Although our motors are a 3.2L, the actual volume including the "clearance volume" above the top of the cylinder for 9:1 compression is 3.60L. Likewise with an E37 with a compression ratio of 10:1 the total capacity is 4.12L - or a difference of +16%.

So when you go from a 3.2L capacity E32 engine and wack in a 3.7L E37....suddenly the engine can "take away" 16% more volume each cycle....so what happens to the plenum pressure for the same SC speed ...it drops. What does this do to horse power?....more air + lower pressure....has the total mass of feed air increased??? Because if air has increased...for a set 12AFR...that means more fuel = hopefully more hp.

So I ran some numbers through my model....
---I've assumed stock air intake setup at 448cfm for 15"WG
---At 6000rpm
---a 50C (122F) post IC intake temp
---which requires the cooler to extract about 10kW (34k BTU's/hr) of heat from the charge.
---Tranny loss = 18%
---Sea Level
---SC eff. locked at 65%.

......Setup........
Engine.....Pulleys.......MAP........IAT........... .additional.................intake air
............................psi..........degF..... .cooling required (kBTU/hr)....cfm........rwhp
E32.........74/155......12.8.......122..............0.(0)........ ...............636........290
E32.........62/155......20.1.......122............14.(48)........ ..............805........341
E37.........74/155.......9.1.........95..............0.(0)....... ................658........306
E37.........65/155......13.6.......122..............3.(10)....... ..............749.........333
E37.........62/155......15.4.......122..............7.(23)....... ..............798.........347


short story long....
the bigger E37 block will run a comparitively lower pressure for the same rwhp
That's probably a good thing given the 10:1 compression. The compression could possibly be lowered back to 9:1 by adding roughly 0.0046" (1.2mm) to the deck height. This only reduces rwhp by 1hp.
As a result intake temps are lower and the whole environment is better.
Because the SC pressure ratio is down, the SC is operating in a better zone and this may afford another 5-7rwhp and we're not pushing the SC into realms past where the current E32+62/155 guys are upto.

If you're feeling really adventurous - some fantasy numbers

......Setup........
Engine.....Pulleys.......MAP........IAT........... .additional.................intake air
............................psi..........degF..... .cooling required (kBTU/hr)....cfm........rwhp
E32.........62/178......20.9........122...........20.( 68)......................955........392
E37.........62/178......27.1........122...........30.(137)....... ..............966........384

Probably need to redo with SC eff. in as well as this is right out there. 32Krazy indicated the SC was running out of legs in a 65/178 >6200rpm stacked setup

I still need to look at the bottom end of the E37.
I also still need to look at the cam setup, but that doesnt hold as much worry much any more as swaping over I' ve discovered isnt as bigger deal as I first thought.

b22b
 

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