The deals are out there...i am trying to deal at this very time on a roadster and am selling my Crossfire on ebay if anyone is interested (hint hint)...what I have been finding is they are usually discounting them anywhere between 9k and 10k...am driving a RED one tomorrow at a dealer in Toledo...I believe the car lists for around $42,080.00 and thinking of offering him $30,700.00 for it...just to give you and idea of what deals we have here in Ohio.