Well time to move on. No debate here. Atheist grew up surrounded by Christian belief, but they will attest that none of that affected them in anyway. We all know you can't grow up in a Muslim country and not believe or you will dead before your time. At least atheists around here can NOT practice what is preached and live. I think the book mentioned as I remember it, has a whole lot of good points about a lot bad things that have happened because of religious conflict with one another. It would drive one to think we are better off without religions. But, there are a whole lot of other teachings that have molded who we are. I am not some crusty old angry pissed off all the time FU mentality until confronted by some jack wagon who wants to attack me personally. Then the fight is on...so, my Christian belief needs work in that area.... I don't turn the other cheek very well. I work for a Christian company now, and remind those that I am around to pray for me...as I certainly need it. Atheist...well, my aunt is one, and her hateful attitude has caught up with her. I won't go into details, but helping her and my uncle is tough to do knowing how they pissed on everyone there whole life and now need our help... If nothing else I can remind them of that when we do help them...You all have a great debate...I will keep working on getting my trinkets together for my next drive...