There are others with skin in this game, how many are waiting for their refunds? That is why I don't jump in on group buys. I rather wait for the result than wait for my money back. Bob (Lantana) was looking for someone to visit BEGI , it was my Crossfire that Corky looked at for clearance and took a ride in John's (Xalidin) car. I was impressed with Corky's knowledge and his book but not impressed with how disorganized the shop looked. I had a bad feeling about getting any more involved, let alone putting up money.